New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1

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We have the gallery for the Transformers War for Cybertron Siege wave 1 Micromasters ready now. These are individual galleries for Storm Cloud, Visper, Flak, Topshot, Roadhandler and Swindler. They are sold in pairs for $9.99 in the US and can currently be found at Target.

While these are a new take on the G1 Micromaster concept, Hasbro did weave in some homages outside G1 such as Storm Cloud and Visper's combined mode which resembles the dark Star Sabre from the Unicron Trilogy. Each of these Micromaster pairs can combine to create a weapon, some more successful than others.

You can click on any image below to be brought to the full gallery.

War for Cybertron: SIEGE Storm Cloud (115 images) - Micromasters

War for Cybertron: SIEGE Visper (125 images) - Micromasters

War for Cybertron: SIEGE Flak (123 images) - Micromasters

War for Cybertron: SIEGE Topshot (124 images) - Micromasters

War for Cybertron: SIEGE Roadhandler (125 images) - Micromasters

War for Cybertron: SIEGE Swindler (133 images) - Micromasters

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Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993865)
Posted by william-james88 on November 12th, 2018 @ 9:55pm CST

Seibertron wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Amelie wrote:Its possible the backs of the arms had to be hollow because of how the toy was being cast\molded.

Thank you for bringing up casting, as that's the only real way to create the arms as a single piece.

What needs to be kept in mind is that casting 3-dimensional objects with a hollow interior, like an egg, can not be done as everything is a heavy solid chunk: you'd have to separate the halves and cast those. Of course that'd require more molds with drives up the cost for material, plus extra assembly. The hollow arms are a necessary evil here.

I hadn't thought of that issue. Still think nicer figures like Masterpiece would benefit from the hands sliding into the forearms. Bumblebee especially.

I preffer a flap opening and folding the hand into the forearm. My problem with sliders is the friction aspect and having that outwards tab/button and slide visible, which kind of disrupts the look of the forearm.

Moreso than a giant gaping hole where a fist was previously?

No, thats why I preffer the flap I mentioned.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993866)
Posted by Seibertron on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:02pm CST

william-james88 wrote:No, thats why I preffer the flap I mentioned.

I completely glanced over the first part of your post. Doh! Yah, the flap method works well too. I'd still like to see that on Masterpiece Bumblebee at some point.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993867)
Posted by william-james88 on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:10pm CST

Most Transformers War for Cybertron Siege toys have now been found in the US. You can view all the DPCI codes to help you locat the particular figure you wish here. For those who are still on the fence, we have some great galleries at your disposal which show what you can accomplish with the figures. You can see them here:

New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1

New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Battle Masters Blowpipe, Firedrive and Lionizer

New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread

Of course, some people also like looking at video reviews so we have made a round up below of some for the deluxe, micromaster and Battle Master class.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993868)
Posted by Seibertron on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:11pm CST

Ironically, I took "scale" pics the other day while the news from another user made the headlines here without knowledge of others taking "scale" pics. There are some interesting things to learn from this info, though I'll let you come to your own conclusions.

Individual G1 Micromaster Roadhandler: 0.3 ounces

All 4 G1 Micromasters Race Car Patrol: 1.4 ounces (someone weighs more than 0.3 ounces!!!)

WFC Siege Micromaster Roadhandler: 0.4 ounces

WFC Siege Micromaster Roadhandler and Swindler: 0.7 ounces

Power of the Primes Legends Class Windcharger: 1.1 ounces ($9.99 toy year ago weighs 0.4 ounces more than $9.99 figure today)

Generations Legends Class Bumblebee with Micromaster: 1.2 ounces ($9.99 toy)

WFC Siege Battle Masters Firedrive: 0.4 ounces

WFC Siege Deluxe Class Sideswipe: 2.9 ounces

WFC Siege Voyager Class Optimus Prime: 5.3 ounces

Masterpiece MP-12 Lambor (Sideswipe): 4.8 ounces

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993875)
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:38pm CST

what im wondering is wheres the legends class figures, i get the two micromasters = one legends but,
why dont we get cybertronian versions of the minibots how cool would that be :-?

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993877)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:59pm CST

Ultra Markus wrote:what im wondering is wheres the legends class figures, i get the two micromasters = one legends but,
why dont we get cybertronian versions of the minibots how cool would that be

There is no Legends class in this line because of the Micromasters. But, Bumblebee with his saucer altmode has been alluded to as a possibility for this line, so if we get him, he'll probably be in the Deluxe class somehow. Maybe a tiny Deluxe with a big accessory a la TLK Sqweeks.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993881)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 13th, 2018 @ 12:21am CST

Sabrblade wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:what im wondering is wheres the legends class figures, i get the two micromasters = one legends but,
why dont we get cybertronian versions of the minibots how cool would that be
There is no Legends class in this line because of the Micromasters. But, Bumblebee with his saucer altmode has been alluded to as a possibility for this line, so if we get him, he'll probably be in the Deluxe class somehow. Maybe a tiny Deluxe with a big accessory a la TLK Sqweeks.

Energon Rods

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993882)
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 13th, 2018 @ 12:26am CST

Sabrblade wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:what im wondering is wheres the legends class figures, i get the two micromasters = one legends but,
why dont we get cybertronian versions of the minibots how cool would that be
There is no Legends class in this line because of the Micromasters. But, Bumblebee with his saucer altmode has been alluded to as a possibility for this line, so if we get him, he'll probably be in the Deluxe class somehow. Maybe a tiny Deluxe with a big accessory a la TLK Sqweeks.

Saucer mode bumblebee is all I would really care for in this line
Besides this is a trilogy maybe one segment will have earth modes and chances are the other guys may show up later

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993892)
Posted by Emerje on November 13th, 2018 @ 2:39am CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Amelie wrote:Its possible the backs of the arms had to be hollow because of how the toy was being cast\molded.

Thank you for bringing up casting, as that's the only real way to create the arms as a single piece.

What needs to be kept in mind is that casting 3-dimensional objects with a hollow interior, like an egg, can not be done as everything is a heavy solid chunk: you'd have to separate the halves and cast those. Of course that'd require more molds with drives up the cost for material, plus extra assembly. The hollow arms are a necessary evil here.

Here's the thing, most "hollow" parts aren't entirely hollow (unless they're for hiding hands or whatever), they include extra molded details or cross beams to add structure. This is just a big empty area. Hound does it right:

They also usually place the hollow areas on the inside to help hide them (like above). Since the arms are straight in alt mode they should have been able to pull that off at least. And, I'm not sure, but I think the hollow space in the back is to reduce plastic and cut costs, not part of the transformation. Ironhide just isn't feeling like the more premium figure we were promised. He had better be surprisingly tall.

Emerje

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993910)
Posted by jtanimator on November 13th, 2018 @ 9:27am CST

It's amazing to me how much more dynamic Storm Cloud looks in posing than the others simply because he has elbow joints. I mean they all look good, but posability with these little guys goes up 100% with something that simple.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993916)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on November 13th, 2018 @ 10:04am CST

The pegs for Storm Cloud's hands support Fire Blasts, right? It might be difficult to balance, but that would also allow for some cool display options.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993924)
Posted by jtanimator on November 13th, 2018 @ 11:37am CST

Didn't notice that before, but now that you mention it, I'm that much more excited! Storm Cloud's lookin' to quite possibly be my favorite Micromaster from this wave.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993971)
Posted by X3ROhour on November 13th, 2018 @ 4:46pm CST

wolverinetodd wrote:
Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?

or is that just me?

maybe i missed a post.

I'm a bit disappointed by that fact, but then Hasbro spoiled us by giving us two completely new Legends Class figures in POTP with Roadtrap and Battleslash to create Battletrap. Originally both Duocons were comprised of two vehicle alt modes that didn't have individual Con modes, but both vehicles combined to form one Con, just as we're seeing with Siege Skytread. If Hasbro had introduced Battletrap into the POTP Deluxe Class line as just one Con that transforms into two different vehicles, as it was originally in G1, then the reveal of Siege Skytread (Flywheels) wouldn't be an issue. Apparently there's no Legends Class in the WFC line, otherwise we might would've gotten a "Skyspear" and a "Dirt-Tread" that combine to form Skytread.

Considering I'm going to display both my POTP Battletrap and WFC Siege Skytread (Flywheels) in their combined Deluxe Class size Con forms, I'm okay with the way Skytread is.

oh
dont get me wrong
me too

i like Skytread a lot!

BUTT

wouldnt it have been great!?

four bots rushing into battle
flippin
and shifting
and changing
shape
positions
attacks
partners
TORSOS!

the pandemonium!
:KREMZEEK:

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993976)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 13th, 2018 @ 6:40pm CST

I love Flak, there's just something infinitely cuddly about how tiny his alt mode is

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993995)
Posted by Skritz on November 13th, 2018 @ 8:53pm CST

I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993997)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 13th, 2018 @ 9:05pm CST

Skritz wrote:I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.

With a new turret and chest piece that actually may work. That work result in new legs as well actually:

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993998)
Posted by Flashwave on November 13th, 2018 @ 9:12pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Skritz wrote:I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.

With a new turret and chest piece that actually may work. That work result in new legs as well actually:

With Hasbro's recent penchant forco tools pre tools part sharing to minimize costs, it's certainly possible, but grunts turret is also Brent's legs, so simply retooling the turret is not as easy as simply retooling turret

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1993999)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 13th, 2018 @ 9:14pm CST

Flashwave wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Skritz wrote:I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.

With a new turret and chest piece that actually may work. That work result in new legs as well actually:

With Hasbro's recent penchant forco tools pre tools part sharing to minimize costs, it's certainly possible, but grunts turret is also Brent's legs, so simply retooling the turret is not as easy as simply retooling turret

It's not so much retooling as it is switching out parts, as the Weaponizers are, by their very nature, partsformers.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994007)
Posted by Emerje on November 13th, 2018 @ 10:08pm CST

I had mentioned previously that if they did do Slammer out of Brunt then the colors would make him more accurate to the Centurion Droids that the mold is based on.

They could take the opportunity to make the lower legs a little more accurate (not that they're drastically inaccurate or anything), it's not like they can make it look exactly like Slammer's barrel where it's so skinny. They can replace the round part of the turret with something squarer while they're at it.

Emerje

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994011)
Posted by Ultra Markus on November 13th, 2018 @ 10:38pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Skritz wrote:I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.

With a new turret and chest piece that actually may work. That work result in new legs as well actually:

they should also make scamper a deluxe while they are at it

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994045)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 14th, 2018 @ 7:53am CST

^I don't know that Scamper needs to be a Deluxe. With Full-Tilt it was a necessity because he's Trypticon's breastplate - make Trypticon bigger and he has to be bigger too.

I don't think a Slammer retool of Brunt would really work. Slammer is a more Earthly tank by a country mile, all tread with no separate is a uniform width along his whole body. I'd embed a picture, but apparently we don't have a G1 Metroplex gallery yet, so have a TFwiki link:
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:G1Slammer_toy.jpg

Maybe my fears about the sizes aren't as bad as I'd thought, but then again maybe they are.. I would like some help being sure. Can somebody please photograph Siege Sideswipe with some Cybertron and Prime Wars deluxes, and Siege Optimus with Combiner Wars Optimus? Or at the very least measure them from sole of foot to top of head with a ruler so I can do the comparing myself?

Speaking of measurements, still looking for measurements of Cog's components in vehicle mode if anyone would be so kind as to provide them? Also, curious as to whether his Gasket and Grommet components (the 6-wheeled car and the half-track respectively) can function as Titan Master taxis as-is. I ask this because the original Gasket and Grommet were designed as Headmaster taxis:
Grommet:

Gasket:
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Cogtoy.jpg

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Amelie wrote:Its possible the backs of the arms had to be hollow because of how the toy was being cast\molded.

Thank you for bringing up casting, as that's the only real way to create the arms as a single piece.

What needs to be kept in mind is that casting 3-dimensional objects with a hollow interior, like an egg, can not be done as everything is a heavy solid chunk: you'd have to separate the halves and cast those. Of course that'd require more molds with drives up the cost for material, plus extra assembly. The hollow arms are a necessary evil here.

Thiiiiisss. This is also why we get exposed hollow thighs - it lets them be cast as a single piece, which is less cost and less effort when cutting the molds (the absolute most expensive part of the manufacturing process bar none). And at least Hasbro has learned to get interesting with hollow thighs by including things like sculpted shocks in the hollow side (just look at Titans Return Hot Rod). Hollows are a price of economical manufacture, and they've been with the line since the start:

Even on that most legendary and cherished of G1 toys. (Also, we apparently don't have a gallery for G1 Jazz either).

And while we're on the subject, behold what I think remain the most severe examples of exposed mold hollows in Transformers history: Cybertron Optimus Prime's calf cannons. Don't think these have been topped yet, and they don't make him any less awesome.

Ultra Markus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:what im wondering is wheres the legends class figures, i get the two micromasters = one legends but,
why dont we get cybertronian versions of the minibots how cool would that be
There is no Legends class in this line because of the Micromasters. But, Bumblebee with his saucer altmode has been alluded to as a possibility for this line, so if we get him, he'll probably be in the Deluxe class somehow. Maybe a tiny Deluxe with a big accessory a la TLK Sqweeks.

Saucer mode bumblebee is all I would really care for in this line
Besides this is a trilogy maybe one segment will have earth modes and chances are the other guys may show up later

Saucercar (Never forget that's still a car mode - it ends up being crippled by having a wheel shot off) Bumblebee would probably end up needing to be a Deluxe for the sake of the big saucer wings.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994111)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 14th, 2018 @ 7:43pm CST

No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail! :BANG_HEAD:

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994116)
Posted by Emerje on November 14th, 2018 @ 8:57pm CST

Wolfman Jake wrote:No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail!

Yeah, I've struck out on both checking two different Targets here in Maine since Friday (Portland and Augusta). Really want to get my hands on some Siege figures even though I still have a few PotP guys to pick up.

Emerje

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994124)
Posted by DeathReviews on November 14th, 2018 @ 10:45pm CST

Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?

How many Transformers lines are there on store shelves now? We got the last of Power of the Primes. We've got the new Bumblebee movie figures. We got the "Studio Series" figures. We've got G1 re-issues. We've got the entire "Cyberverse" line. We've still got the Rescue line, and we've also got "Botbots". And now Siege is turning up in stores. All on the shelves. All at the same time.

Sure seems that somewhere over time, Hasbro got over thinking that customers would get all 'confused' if there were multiple figure lines on the shelves. Not that I'm complaining about the current wealth of choices, but I'm still resentful that they cancelled TFA, one of their best shows/figure lines ever, by using a cheesy excuse that they seem to be utterly ignoring now.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994125)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 14th, 2018 @ 10:55pm CST

DeathReviews wrote:Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?

That was Aaron Archer's brand team. John Warden's brand team plays by their own rules nowadays.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994126)
Posted by william-james88 on November 14th, 2018 @ 11:00pm CST

DeathReviews wrote:Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?

Those movies have now elevated that brand to a household name unlike ever before. Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are now as known as Batman, Spider-man, Mario and Darth Vader. So now the idea is to keep having product all shelves all the time. The marketting mandate has gone a full 180.

Sabrblade wrote:That was Aaron Archer's brand team. John Warden's brand team plays by their own rules nowadays.

John Warden is not the brand manager, he is the design manager for the movie and generations lines. The marketting mandate I wrote of above is at a higher level than him.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994133)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 14th, 2018 @ 11:34pm CST

Emerje wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail!

Yeah, I've struck out on both checking two different Targets here in Maine since Friday (Portland and Augusta). Really want to get my hands on some Siege figures even though I still have a few PotP guys to pick up.

Emerje

Guess what! I decided to try another Target that I don't frequent often on my way home from work (going just a bit out of my way to do so by taking an alternate route). The gambit paid off, though! No, I didn't find any trace of Siege, but I did finally find Optimal Optimus!

Now with my Power of the Primes collection complete, I'm rarin' to go for Siege! I'm hoping to see something around here before the end of the month.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994137)
Posted by Emerje on November 15th, 2018 @ 12:50am CST

Wolfman Jake wrote:Now with my Power of the Primes collection complete, I'm rarin' to go for Siege! I'm hoping to see something around here before the end of the month.

Congrats! Unfortunately I only have have one local store I can check, I think there's 5 Targets total in the whole state so I'll just have to keep waiting for OpOp and Siege stuff to show up.

Emerje

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994192)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 15th, 2018 @ 3:46pm CST

I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994198)
Posted by Cobotron on November 15th, 2018 @ 4:35pm CST

Wolfman Jake wrote:I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.

It shows the same here in the Omaha area. I interpret it the same. Not in yet, but ready to be received. By Target.... AND ME!!!!!

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994212)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on November 15th, 2018 @ 8:29pm CST

Cobotron wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.

It shows the same here in the Omaha area. I interpret it the same. Not in yet, but ready to be received. By Target.... AND ME!!!!!

I'm not sure sure. I found the Battle masters today (Chicago area) at a Target that showed them out of stock on Brickseek. Had to be a full case. They were on the same pegs as Octopunch, Bomb Burst and Bludgeon.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994222)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on November 15th, 2018 @ 9:17pm CST

DeathReviews wrote:Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?

How many Transformers lines are there on store shelves now? We got the last of Power of the Primes. We've got the new Bumblebee movie figures. We got the "Studio Series" figures. We've got G1 re-issues. We've got the entire "Cyberverse" line. We've still got the Rescue line, and we've also got "Botbots". And now Siege is turning up in stores. All on the shelves. All at the same time.

Sure seems that somewhere over time, Hasbro got over thinking that customers would get all 'confused' if there were multiple figure lines on the shelves. Not that I'm complaining about the current wealth of choices, but I'm still resentful that they canceled TFA, one of their best shows/figure lines ever, by using a cheesy excuse that they seem to be utterly ignoring now.

If it's anything like the GI Joe films, it was more like Paramount telling Hasbro there can't be any confusion. Remember folks missed out on getting Human Alliance Soundwave easily because Paramount insisted it be released as a late wave figure. Food for thought, we have multiple lines on the shelves at the same time as movie figures and for the last two lines, later waves didn't make it to main retail shelves in some cases. Also, some stores won't stock non-movie figures too.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994227)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on November 15th, 2018 @ 9:44pm CST

There are a lot of factors that go into the cancellation of animated series, so I wouldn't get too hung up on trying to parse old interviews to Frankenstein a narrative to explain it. Most children's animated tv has a lifecycle of approximately three years because the audience ages out of the target demographic, and the hope is that a new show will capture the new audience. Prime, RiD, Cyberverse have all had fit into that same cycle.

More on topic, Hasbro clearly intends to keep multiple product lines targeting multiple audiences across many brands and licenses. This isn't specific to TF: I consider Generations as a comparable product to Marvel Legends and Star Wars: the Black Series. That trend of higher quality toys ideal for the collector market largely post-dates TFA, so the excuse at the time still could have been valid then.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994282)
Posted by Lore Keeper on November 16th, 2018 @ 10:34am CST

Cobotron wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.

It shows the same here in the Omaha area. I interpret it the same. Not in yet, but ready to be received. By Target.... AND ME!!!!!

Can anyone actually confirm the DCPIs showing in stock at all? I've checked in zip codes where sightings are taking place, and everything shows out of stock. Supposed group DCPIs that Target normally use are just giving me "no results found".

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994348)
Posted by Lore Keeper on November 16th, 2018 @ 7:01pm CST

I'll answer my own question with a confirmation. Just picked up the full assortments of Battle Masters and Micromasters at the Mount Laurel, NJ Target. They do not show as in stock on Brickseek, but if you ask an associate to run the DCPIs, they'll show up. No other size classes were available at the time.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994367)
Posted by X3ROhour on November 16th, 2018 @ 8:34pm CST

Wolfman Jake wrote:No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail!

same in Cali.
i just found SIEGE Blowpipe
yet
never have laid eyes,
nor mitts,
upon OPOP nor Novastar!

but i got 3 Wreckgars!
:DANCE:

still,
that Hound gives me nerd tingles in my nethers
:HALUC:

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994381)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on November 17th, 2018 @ 1:22am CST

Just an aside since it's been brought up; Classics Sideswipe drew more from the Alternators design than G1, whereas Siege Sideswipe draws heavily from G1, almost to the point of being a $20 Masterpiece

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994382)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 17th, 2018 @ 2:10am CST

Which makes it even worse that he's an apparent midget, IMO. I say apparent because I could potentially be misjudging the size comparisons.

If someone could please be arsed to photograph him amongst Titans Return and Unicron Trilogy deluxes, or even just measure his height with a ruler, that would be very helpful. Or did you all sacrifice your ability to use rulers to get the blessing for comments on your threads? </insane sleep-deprivation-induced speculation>

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994395)
Posted by Lore Keeper on November 17th, 2018 @ 8:52am CST

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Which makes it even worse that he's an apparent midget, IMO.

Um, they prefer the term differently heighted, mmmkay?

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994399)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 17th, 2018 @ 9:17am CST

Lore Keeper wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Which makes it even worse that he's an apparent midget, IMO.

Um, they prefer the term differently heighted, mmmkay?

That sounds a lot like a Huffer quote to me. :SG-CONS:

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994408)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on November 17th, 2018 @ 11:11am CST

@Zelda You've probably already seen this comparison, but if not:
https://twitter.com/Barricade64/status/ ... 99552?s=19

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994409)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 17th, 2018 @ 11:19am CST

AcademyofDrX wrote:@Zelda You've probably already seen this comparison, but if not:
https://twitter.com/Barricade64/status/ ... 99552?s=19

I haven't seen that pic as such, but I have seen Seibertron do the same comparison here. That's kinda why I'm disappointed and concerned to begin with. :roll:

However, and I feel I must stress this point:

UNIVERSE SIDESWIPE IS NOT A TITANS RETURN OR UNICRON TRILOGY DELUXE!

And those are what I asked for comparisons with. I don't need to see him compared with Universe Sideswipe because that's what caused the concern in the first place. What I do need to see is him compared with the likes of Cybertron Override and Titans Return Hot Rod. Or even just for someone to take a ruler - this flat bar thing usually a little over a foot long minimum, generally an inch or so wide and marked off in inches on one side and centimeters on the other - and measure SIEGE Sideswipe's height so that I can do the comparing myself.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994411)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 17th, 2018 @ 12:03pm CST

Couldn't you use universe Sideswipe yourself to check height if you know where Siege Sideswipe stands? Plus if Sideswipe was too small for you, shouldn't ever other Siege Character be too small since they are all set to scale?

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994412)
Posted by YoungPrime on November 17th, 2018 @ 12:22pm CST

That DPCI on the receipt doesn't match with any of those Battlemasters on that list...

087-16-3981 vs....

Battle masters:
Firedrive-087-16-4265
Lionizer-087-16-4269
Blowpipe-087-16-6158
Aimless-087-16-7211
Caliburst-087-16-4264
Smashdown-087-16-4267
Pteraxadon-087-16-4266

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994415)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 17th, 2018 @ 12:46pm CST

YoungPrime wrote:That DPCI on the receipt doesn't match with any of those Battlemasters on that list...

087-16-3981 vs....

Battle masters:
Firedrive-087-16-4265
Lionizer-087-16-4269
Blowpipe-087-16-6158
Aimless-087-16-7211
Caliburst-087-16-4264
Smashdown-087-16-4267
Pteraxadon-087-16-4266

Like there are separate product codes for denoting general assortments like Battle Master, Deluxe and the like, there are separate DPCI's for them. It's to keep track of overall stock for reordering purposes.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994416)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 17th, 2018 @ 12:56pm CST

I realize that comment about rulers was needlessly patronizing... I'm just frustrated by the fact that it seems like whenever I ask for measurements on this site it feels like people ignore the request as if I'd asked them to do something ridiculous like give me a thousand dollars in exchange for nothing.

ZeroWolf wrote:Couldn't you use universe Sideswipe yourself to check height if you know where Siege Sideswipe stands? Plus if Sideswipe was too small for you, shouldn't ever other Siege Character be too small since they are all set to scale?

I suppose that's a fair point about comparing others to the Universe Sideswipe mold's armpit height, since I do have Generations Red Alert. However, that doesn't help me with comparing Siege Optimus to Combiner Wars Optimus or measuring Gasket and Grommet. And I also don't 100% trust photos on this since they can have optical illusions that exaggerate or minimize the actual difference in height.. (Granted, not as likely in straight-on photos, but it can happen).

As for "shouldn't every other Siege character be too small"...
First off, no. Skytread is the same height as Battletrap so he's good, and the Weaponizers being the height they are also works, particularly for Cog. Ultra Magnus would seem to be, though, if I'm remembering the height right (eight inches).
Second, I'm trying to confirm whether or not the others are actually as "too small" as I originally thought based on the Sideswipe and Optimus comparisons. That's why I want to compare Siege Sideswipe with non-Siege Deluxes that aren't Universe Sideswipe, and Siege Optimus to Combiner Wars Optimus (who Seibertron annoyingly left out of his little comparison lineup). I'm trying to thoroughly test my impression to make sure I'm not off the mark.

EDIT:
Did the comparison with Red Alert. Sadly, it seems my impression was right... The Siege Autobot Cars are good designs spoilt by being manufactured 15-20% too small... I was so excited for them too...

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994419)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 17th, 2018 @ 1:38pm CST

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Ultra Magnus would seem to be...eight inches.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994457)
Posted by starrhero on November 17th, 2018 @ 9:59pm CST

Wolfman Jake wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Ultra Magnus would seem to be...eight inches.

This might be the best post on the site right now...

Alright give me the bomb.

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994517)
Posted by Seibertron on November 18th, 2018 @ 4:25pm CST

Excitement around the Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE toy line continues to ramp up as the November 25th street date at Target stores nears closer!

Last week, we wrapped up our galleries of Battle Masters, Micromasters, Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread, as well as Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Megatron. We also provided all of you with a series of video reviews from other YouTube users.

Now, we proudly present our very own set of YouTube video reviews from Seibertron.com itself. This set includes all four of the War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class action figures, which was preceded by our video of the Voyager Class figures.

Be sure to share your thoughts of the War for Cybertron SIEGE figures on our forums.

War for Cybertron SIEGE WFC-S7 Deluxe Class Sideswipe

War for Cybertron SIEGE WFC-S8 Deluxe Class Cog

War for Cybertron SIEGE WFC-S9 Deluxe Class Hound

War for Cybertron SIEGE WFC-S10 Deluxe Class Skytread

Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters Wave 1 (1994524)
Posted by Seibertron on November 18th, 2018 @ 6:41pm CST

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Second, I'm trying to confirm whether or not the others are actually as "too small" as I originally thought based on the Sideswipe and Optimus comparisons. That's why I want to compare Siege Sideswipe with non-Siege Deluxes that aren't Universe Sideswipe, and Siege Optimus to Combiner Wars Optimus (who Seibertron annoyingly left out of his little comparison lineup). I'm trying to thoroughly test my impression to make sure I'm not off the mark.

I added some new pictures to the Optimus Prime gallery just for you. Does this answer your question in regards to a comparison between Combiner Wars Optimus Prime and Siege Optimus Prime? Just for kicks, I also added AOE Voyager Class Evasion Mode Optimus Prime as well. Hope this helps clarify his size for you and anyone else wondering!

Personally, I was never a fan of Combiner Wars Optimus Prime because he doesn't really meet my requirements for what a G1 Optimus Prime toy should look like.