6 additional Siege TakaraTomy stock photos from Dengeki Hobby

So wanting that Megatron and Shockwave.

I think it's a shame that for Flywheels they didn't make two merging Tfs like Battletrap. Still, a better toy than the last one we got - and I'm not over yet not getting a Triple Changer version. It seems that the character is cursed... or not very popular, at least.

mentre83 wrote:I think it's a shame that for Flywheels they didn't make two merging Tfs like Battletrap. Still, a better toy than the last one we got - and I'm not over yet not getting a Triple Changer version. It seems that the character is cursed... or not very popular, at least.

Skytread/Flywheels being exactly like Battletrap was probably wishful thinking on our part. The two individual bots are much more complex than most Legends, effectively being Triplechangers themselves. They probably only were able to budget them by only having three other new Legends molds in the line (Beachcomber, Slash, and Windcharger), along with three slight retools (Tailgate, Cindersaur, and Outback), and one minor repaint of a much older figure (Skrapnel). Skrapnel is likely the biggest factor in us getting Battletrap since he was basically a budget freebie saving money they could use on the Duocon. If Siege Deluxe really are $17.99 that's not enough to cover two Legends, let alone two Legends that complex.

And personally I'm very glad they didn't go the lazy way and make the Duocons just another pair of Triplechangers. It works as a club exclusive, but we deserve something more faithful at retail.

Emerje

That Micromaster "sword" looks ridiculous. Lol

mentre83 wrote:I think it's a shame that for Flywheels they didn't make two merging Tfs like Battletrap.

Personally I think it's a shame we got two TF's that merged into one like Battletrap.

That was what made the Duocons fun, two alt modes into one robot mode. They screwed up Battletrap and made things right for Flywheels, here's hoping they go back and "fix" Battletrap.

Burn wrote:Personally I think it's a shame we got two TF's that merged into one like Battletrap.

That was what made the Duocons fun, two alt modes into one robot mode. They screwed up Battletrap and made things right for Flywheels, here's hoping they go back and "fix" Battletrap.

I don't ... I don't understand what you mean? Or what you want? To have a Battletrap that doesn't turn into two separate robots you could just ... not transform them into separate robots? It's the easiest mod ever; you don't have to change the toy, you just have to pretend.

Im curious how Battletrap is compatible to Flywheels?
Hmmmm.....

Albatross250 wrote:Im curious how Battletrap is compatible to Flywheels?
Hmmmm.....

Depends on the connection points I think it would be a shame if they weren't compatible.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Skritz wrote:Wait. THE TURRET MOVES?!

I'm honestly not too surprised. HasTak figured out how to pull that stunt off way back in 2005 with Cybertron Defense Scattorshot, and repeated it in 2015 with Combiner Wars Megatron.

And that was such a neat stunt, kind of blew my mind when it came out. Arms connected to a carousel that can turn around once the shoulder joints are swung up.

Burn wrote:

mentre83 wrote:I think it's a shame that for Flywheels they didn't make two merging Tfs like Battletrap.

Personally I think it's a shame we got two TF's that merged into one like Battletrap.

That was what made the Duocons fun, two alt modes into one robot mode. They screwed up Battletrap and made things right for Flywheels, here's hoping they go back and "fix" Battletrap.

Agreed!

And I think it hurt the look of the combined robot form, especially those clunky legs.






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ZeroWolf wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:Im curious how Battletrap is compatible to Flywheels?
Hmmmm.....

Depends on the connection points I think it would be a shame if they weren't compatible.

Better get Battleslash and Roadtrap then, shame they dont have weapons like Flywheels

Cyberpath wrote:

Burn wrote:

mentre83 wrote:I think it's a shame that for Flywheels they didn't make two merging Tfs like Battletrap.

Personally I think it's a shame we got two TF's that merged into one like Battletrap.

That was what made the Duocons fun, two alt modes into one robot mode. They screwed up Battletrap and made things right for Flywheels, here's hoping they go back and "fix" Battletrap.

Agreed!

And I think it hurt the look of the combined robot form, especially those clunky legs.

I agree as well. I think Battletrap is quite fun and I've enjoyed the figure a lot, but after seeing Flywheels and how tight and focused of a package he is, I also wish BT was not two robots.

Albatross250 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:Im curious how Battletrap is compatible to Flywheels?
Hmmmm.....

Depends on the connection points I think it would be a shame if they weren't compatible.

Better get Battleslash and Roadtrap then, shame they dont have weapons like Flywheels

I gave the Battletrap boys CW Megatron's weapons. Combining weapons for combining bots made sense and they look good with the individual bots as well as the combined figure (combined).

Albatross250 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:Im curious how Battletrap is compatible to Flywheels?
Hmmmm.....

Depends on the connection points I think it would be a shame if they weren't compatible.

Better get Battleslash and Roadtrap then, shame they dont have weapons like Flywheels

I plan on giving battle trap the Decepticon air patrol I would settle for the other half of the team to just be redecos just to give to Flywheels.

While I only have half of PotP Battletrap, I'll agree that the extra parts needed for Battleslash and Roadtrap can be a bit in the way. No argument. But it was the only way to do him as a regular retail release under the constraints of PotP. But who knows, maybe they will do a Battletrap-only retool if Flywheels sells well.

Adimus Prime wrote:That Micromaster "sword" looks ridiculous. Lol

So did the Star Saber (albeit less so because of the unified colors), but it's the fun kind of ridiculous. Hopefully this sword stays combined better, though!

ZeroWolf wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:Im curious how Battletrap is compatible to Flywheels?
Hmmmm.....

Depends on the connection points I think it would be a shame if they weren't compatible.

Better get Battleslash and Roadtrap then, shame they dont have weapons like Flywheels

I plan on giving battle trap the Decepticon air patrol I would settle for the other half of the team to just be redecos just to give to Flywheels.

I did miss Powerglide but I don't mind Viper redecoed as Tailwind but who knows, A-10 that turns into a gun, and also i do want Storm Cloud and Whisper turning into Dark Star Saber.

I think what Burn is getting at is: what was sacrificed in PotP Battletrap to give him his extra robot modes?

I had Flywheels as a kid. He definitely looks superior to Battletrap. I can't wait to get him. One of the few figures I am going to get from this line (all Micromasters, the weapons-maybe, the city add-on deluxes, and Flywheels).

Emerje wrote:And personally I'm very glad they didn't go the lazy way and make the Duocons just another pair of Triplechangers. It works as a club exclusive, but we deserve something more faithful at retail.

I'm glad that they preserved the Duocons concept, yet a Blitzwing redeco to pair with the Triple Changer Battletrap would have been nice.

Cyberpath wrote:Best Megatron head/face-sculpt after the MP-36.

I know I convinced everyone Leader Megs was overrated but come on, we still have to give credit where its due, that headsculpt was excellent:



And when you think about it, Megatron headsculpts are usually great. My best of list mentions another one too. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... pts/36908/



This headsculpt was also great






And this one was just so cool as a hybrid design



So while this one is nice, I think its simply par for the course for megatron headsculpts. I still think the Gen Leader one is superior.

Also, is it just me or does the deco on Megatron not really show battle damage, but rather simply dirt. Like he fell in some mud.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Albatross250 wrote:Im curious how Battletrap is compatible to Flywheels?
Hmmmm.....

Depends on the connection points I think it would be a shame if they weren't compatible.

Warden said they are compatible. I imagine there's a ball joint about the size of Battleslash's head used to connect the tank to the jet.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:Best Megatron head/face-sculpt after the MP-36.

I know I convinced everyone Leader Megs was overrated but come on, we still have to give credit where its due, that headsculpt was excellent:



And when you think about it, Megatron headsculpts are usually great. My best of list mentions another one too. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... pts/36908/



This headsculpt was also great






And this one was just so cool as a hybrid design



So while this one is nice, I think its simply par for the course for megatron headsculpts. I still think the Gen Leader one is superior.

Also, is it just me or does the deco on Megatron not really show battle damage, but rather simply dirt. Like he fell in some mud.

Gotta disagree there. Leader Megs is o.k. But there is no contest with the finely chiseled evilness that is the new face:


R.I.D and the others are o.k sculpts but are not G1. This is G1 as he's supposed to look.

Adimus Prime wrote:That Micromaster "sword" looks ridiculous. Lol

That's nothing compared to the race patrol "carshavingsex" gun.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Adimus Prime wrote:That Micromaster "sword" looks ridiculous. Lol

That's nothing compared to the race patrol "carshavingsex" gun.

Great. Now I can't unsee.

william-james88 wrote:And when you think about it, Megatron headsculpts are usually great. My best of list mentions another one too. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... pts/36908/

This one's kind of a cheat since it wasn't originally meant to be a Megatron.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And when you think about it, Megatron headsculpts are usually great. My best of list mentions another one too. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... pts/36908/

This one's kind of a cheat since it wasn't originally meant to be a Megatron.

Further proves the point, Hasbro knew Megatron gets all the best headsculpts, so when they saw this one they were like "screw whoever he is supposed to be, only Megatron can be that gorgeous, so thats who he'll be"

True fake story

Also, he was in the same role and his name was very close, what with "Gigatron" basically being a play on the name "Megatron". So he was close enough anyway.

So, seeing the modular nature of the armor on shockwave, I am convinced that it is exactly what he would do when confronted with needing to fight. If I'm right, does shockwave not have 'battle damage'? Cuz if he doesn't that's a great detail, that he is a scientist and wouldn't have been on the battlefield to get the dirt and damage on him

In his spotlight issue from IDW, Shockwave didn't need any add on battlegear to take on the Dinobots

Hellscream9999 wrote:If I'm right, does shockwave not have 'battle damage'? Cuz if he doesn't that's a great detail, that he is a scientist and wouldn't have been on the battlefield to get the dirt and damage on him

The voyager portion has it on his feet and, strangely enough, the black rubber hose has silver streaks. The armor has it on the "gun grips". I guess walking around a lab all day is hard on the feet.

Emerje

We return to Chinese social media platform Weibo, and its user 爆料人小明, for another packaging update for the upcoming Transformers line War for Cybertron: Siege - with the showing of new Deluxe figure Sideswipe.

As for the Voyagers seen with Megatron and Optimus Prime first reported on here, the box appears to be the Marvel Legends-esque cut corner shape, with art of the main character on the side, see through window on the robot mode, and plastic ties to keep the figure in place inside the packaging. You can check it out for yourselves below, and then let us know what you think in the Energon Pub discussion boards!

I'm just now realizing that it appears we've gone from 12 cards per figure to 0, unless it's in the box behind stuff. 1 was fine

Were there trading cards in the T30 line? It may have been just a part of the Prime Wars Trilogy. I kind of wish in the US we would have got them instead of the pack-in comics on the deluxes from wave 2 on. I happen to get some of the deluxe trading cards because the some of the deluxes I got happened to be from non-US markets. I wasn't trying to collect them all or anything, but my son thought they were neat .

o.supreme wrote:Were there trading cards in the T30 line?

It was comics. The cards came about when Hasbro wanted to save money on packaging variation and make everyone in north america have the exact same trilingual packaging. That was only cemented in Titans Return.

Hurray for more packing waste, and probably a price hike at the shops

While I am more than happy with the regular Studio Series style packaging, this feels a whole lot more premium, and I dig that. Price will definitely increase at stores, but I'm fine with that.

I've been dying for Hasbro to bring the Studio Series style packaging to Deluxe classes in the Generations line, so THANK YOU!! FINALLY!

o.supreme wrote:Were there trading cards in the T30 line? It may have been just a part of the Prime Wars Trilogy. I kind of wish in the US we would have got them instead of the pack-in comics on the deluxes from wave 2 on. I happen to get some of the deluxe trading cards because the some of the deluxes I got happened to be from non-US markets. I wasn't trying to collect them all or anything, but my son thought they were neat .

Yeah putting old RiD back issues in as "Combiner Wars" comics was weird. That was a strange time.

Gods, some of the collector cards from Combiner Wars... I had a look at scans of them on a site, and a number of them are completely wrong when it comes to the art. Optimus Prime, Hot Spot, Motormaster, and Drag Strip are some of the big offenders

Hasbros using this wasteful packaging to "justify" the price hike, its also why theres no more trading card with the figure. They'll say "we got rid of the card to "improve" the packaging". I already had a feeling i was priced out of this line but seeing this makes it official, no way these will be under $20 in that packaging. Hasbro you just lost a 30 year return customer

Megatron Wolf wrote:Hasbros using this wasteful packaging to "justify" the price hike, its also why theres no more trading card with the figure. They'll say "we got rid of the card to "improve" the packaging". I already had a feeling i was priced out of this line but seeing this makes it official, no way these will be under $20 in that packaging. Hasbro you just lost a 30 year return customer

I do feel the packaging is a bit wasteful, but my feelings aren't quite that strong, especially since my wants in this line aren't really that many to begin with.

If it helps...I know there are a lot of aftermarket sellers on eBay that sell the items slightly discounted w/o packaging. I'm not sure how reliable they are, but they do exist.

Ha! Only just over $20. Try over £20 MINIMUM a deluxe, AKA $26.

Megatron Wolf wrote:Hasbros using this wasteful packaging to "justify" the price hike, its also why theres no more trading card with the figure. They'll say "we got rid of the card to "improve" the packaging". I already had a feeling i was priced out of this line but seeing this makes it official, no way these will be under $20 in that packaging. Hasbro you just lost a 30 year return customer

I'm pretty sure the price hike isn't just from packaging alone but a mixture of factors, such as:
-Their bottom line hurt by The Last Knight and The Last Jedi shelfwarming. How fitting given their name.
-The figures do seem to be a bit less cheap than what we got during early T30 and they aren't engineering one mold to be 5-6 figures. They are using paint and not crappy stickers this time around.
That said yes, the price hike is annoying but I doubt it is purely packaging. It is also possible Hasbro is testing out the market for trying to have Generations appeal even more to older collectors, hence trying to market this as a more high end product with paint apps, more articulation (a lot of at least partial ankle tilt in Siege so far) and more accessories, especially after the drought of anything more complex than a solid plastic slab in TR or a crappy baby-carrier combiner hand in POTP.

I think they're honestly trying to make a more 'high end collectible' line while at the same time dealing with money issues. We forget that, technically speaking, Generations is purely optional. It does not get advertisement with a cartoon and it definitely appeal more to older fans.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Gods, some of the collector cards from Combiner Wars... I had a look at scans of them on a site, and a number of them are completely wrong when it comes to the art. Optimus Prime, Hot Spot, Motormaster, and Drag Strip are some of the big offenders

A lot of that is down to them reusing the art from the legends mobile game instead of commissioning new art. It was a cost cutting measure.

Haven't we already seen the RRP for these?

The simpler the package the better as far as I'm concerned. Like, don't even put artwork on it. Makes it easier to throw away.

That said: I'll honestly only know for sure if Siege is less 'cheap' once we start having reviewers who look at these figures more closely beyond those doctored test shot and painted prototypes. We know Hasbro has been prone to hide the sides of figures with unsightly kibble and hollow parts. That said it does seem slightly less cheap and hollow than what we got recently.

^^^Thank you for that post, Skritz.

Seriously, did you people forget about the fact that these figures are coming with more accessories (and more complex accessories) than they've had in a while, while still being the same size as most prior Generations deluxes? And the paint detailing (even going by the stock photos and not the toy show prototypes)? Sheesh!

And I think making the packaging on the Deluxes a box instead of a blister card is about making it more collector-friendly to retain for storage (The protruding part of a blister card is a nuisance and a half when stacking) while still giving space to the eyecatching graphics. A more space-efficient box would be nice, I admit, but it could be worse. Way worse

Cyberpath wrote:The simpler the package the better as far as I'm concerned. Like, don't even put artwork on it. Makes it easier to throw away.

Guess what pal? Packaging serves a function beyond just holding the toy and its parts: Catching the eye of customers in the stores. It has ALWAYS served that function in Transformers. That is why it has art on it, that's why on the boxes in this line they've done that cut corner with an image of the character... They're trying to get customers' attention, because that increases the chance of the toy being bought.

Also, these boxes still don't waste as much space as the average Hasbro G1 package did. Those remain the kings of wasted space.

Skritz wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Hasbros using this wasteful packaging to "justify" the price hike, its also why theres no more trading card with the figure. They'll say "we got rid of the card to "improve" the packaging". I already had a feeling i was priced out of this line but seeing this makes it official, no way these will be under $20 in that packaging. Hasbro you just lost a 30 year return customer

I'm pretty sure the price hike isn't just from packaging alone but a mixture of factors, such as:
-Their bottom line hurt by The Last Knight and The Last Jedi shelfwarming. How fitting given their name.
-The figures do seem to be a bit less cheap than what we got during early T30 and they aren't engineering one mold to be 5-6 figures. They are using paint and not crappy stickers this time around.
That said yes, the price hike is annoying but I doubt it is purely packaging. It is also possible Hasbro is testing out the market for trying to have Generations appeal even more to older collectors, hence trying to market this as a more high end product with paint apps, more articulation (a lot of at least partial ankle tilt in Siege so far) and more accessories, especially after the drought of anything more complex than a solid plastic slab in TR or a crappy baby-carrier combiner hand in POTP.

I think they're honestly trying to make a more 'high end collectible' line while at the same time dealing with money issues. We forget that, technically speaking, Generations is purely optional. It does not get advertisement with a cartoon and it definitely appeal more to older fans.

I agree with this completely. To assume that Hasbro is simply trying to find an excuse to "hike" up the prices of generations figures is irrational. Not only can you tell (if you take a close look) that the company really does seem to be trying harder to appeal to its collectors (from past complaints like using paint instead of stickers, better articulation, etc), but they also have to appeal to the mass market. So for Hasbro to simply do something to hike up prices wouldn't do anybody any good (including them) if it lost them customers such as yourself. Instead, they seem to being making changes to the line to improve their figures and overall appeal towards the collectors (us), and adjusting the prices accordingly. To me, the trade off seems worth it. By the look of this line, I can already see a more premium quality put into these, and I really appreciate it. And my gosh is that packaging beautiful. I feel sorry for any of the collectors who feel otherwise.

Skritz wrote:
I'm pretty sure the price hike isn't just from packaging alone but a mixture of factors, such as:
-Their bottom line hurt by The Last Knight and The Last Jedi shelfwarming. How fitting given their name.

This is inconsequential and should be eradicated from our collective minds as a possible reason.

What you see in store shelves means NOTHING to a supplier. It is the retailer's problem if something shelfwarms, Hasbro already got all the money for those shelwarming toys. The more toys you see, the more money Hasbro got.

What is directly related, instead, is unsold product from hasbro proper, so product that retailers chose not to buy. And there is no way to know that unless Hasbro tells us directly, which they did.

They (Brian Goldner) specifically said that Star Wars toys were not all bought by retailers, but all the TLK toys made for retailers were bought by these retailers. The output matched the demand.

Which is why Transformers got a boost as a toyline with more product output now than ever before. We currently have 4 simulataneous lines of constant product destined to the same shelfspace. So Hasbro's bottom line is in no way hurt by Transformers related properties at the moment, its why they are making more.

ZeroWolf wrote:Haven't we already seen the RRP for these?

We have not, Hasbro has not disclosed that info (as far as I know).

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Catching the eye of customers in the stores. It has ALWAYS served that function in Transformers.

Oh right, I forget that there are people going in stores, look at these things and go "Huh you know what? This looks neat." I'm so used now to knowing months in advance what these figures will be like (and knowing the character) that I forgot about that part.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Haven't we already seen the RRP for these?

We have not, Hasbro has not disclosed that info (as far as I know).

Though there is that Walgreens listing for $17.99. That's the same price they currently sell Deluxe at so either they haven't updated their price to the new MSRP or the price is staying the same because I can't imagine them selling at the same price or less than Walmart. But then they also had the Ratchet exclusive listed at $18.99 and their exclusives are usually the same price as their regular figures so if that's their actual new Deluxe price then the MSRP could just be $17.99, only a dollar more than it is now.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Seriously, did you people forget about the fact that these figures are coming with more accessories (and more complex accessories) than they've had in a while, while still being the same size as most prior Generations deluxes? And the paint detailing (even going by the stock photos and not the toy show prototypes)? Sheesh!

Uh, what? More and more complex accessories? Each PotP Deluxe comes with a regular weapon and an armor/weapon piece consisting of four moving parts (fingers, two thumbs, and a peg) and a plug in the middle that doubles as a third weapon. That's a six-part accessory, nothing in Siege comes even a little close to that.

Emerje

The POTP accesories, however, were mostly the same mold or a variation of the same engineering. Only the details on the plastic chunk changed and even then there's only 2-3 variations. Even less for feet.