Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system

09-12-2018, 07:02 AM

Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system

BY MATT SLEDGE | MSLEDGE@THEADVOCATE.COM
SEP 11, 2018 - 8:30 PM

It was a typical morning in Magistrate Court in New Orleans: Twelve defendants were making their first appearances on recent arrests, 10 of them black and all of them shackled.

But there was one big difference this Tuesday: National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell shared a hard wooden bench with a worried grandfather.

Saints players Benjamin Watson and Demario Davis watched as Magistrate Judge Harry Cantrell set $1,500 bail for a disabled man accused of cocaine possession.

Afterward, one observer said it was impossible to hear the clink of the defendants' metal shackles without thinking of slavery. Goodell agreed.

“I was just overwhelmed with sadness,” Watson said. “Their lives are never going to be the same, whether they’re guilty or innocent.”

The indelible image of a powerful sports executive mixing with the poor and desperate came courtesy of the Players Coalition. NFL players created the social justice organization last year in the wake of protests by Colin Kaepernick and other players who refused to stand during the national anthem in response to police killings of black people.

The Players Coalition organized a daylong symposium Tuesday on the criminal justice system at the Orleans Public Defenders office that was also attended by Saints owner Gayle Benson and defensive end Cam Jordan.

In May, the NFL agreed to spend nearly $90 million on a “social justice partnership” with the group. Observers said the league may have hoped it would tamp down on the game-day demonstrations.

The protest controversy is hardly over, as the uproar over Kenner Mayor Ben Zahn’s Nike policy proved this week. But Players Coalition members like Watson and Davis say they hope to use events like the symposium to refocus the attention the protests have generated onto concrete issues like bail reform.

Davis and and Watson penned an op-ed last week asking the media to look beyond the debate over the protests during the national anthem to the underlying issues that sparked them.

"Trying to make your country a better place is the most patriotic thing you can do," said Davis, a linebacker.

Tuesday's symposium was one of a series of similar events the Players Coalition has organized in Detroit, Philadelphia and New York City. The group has also hosted seven forums ahead of elections for district attorney in other cities.

“We’ve obviously, over the last couple of years, had a huge conflict,” said Watson, a tight end. “But when you are able to deal with that conflict in a constructive manner, then you get meetings like this.”

For eight hours, Goodell listened attentively — sometimes interjecting questions — as defense attorneys and formerly incarcerated people spoke. In the day’s first session, Orleans Parish Chief Public Defender Derwyn Bunton explained the plethora of bail fees and court costs that defendants pay to help support the city's criminal justice system.

Federal judges recently declared that “user pays” system to be unconstitutional because the state judges who set fines and fees cannot be impartial when their own budget is at stake. After watching the bail hearings, Davis agreed.

“The judge didn’t let anybody off on no bail,” he said. “The judge has a conflict of interest, because he has to get the people in his office paid.”

As the commissioner and players lunched at Cafe Reconcile, speakers described the power of prosecutors, which a panel described as arbitrary and unaccountable.

Goodell sat next to Robert Jones, who spent 23 years in prison before his case was dismissed amid allegations of prosecutor misconduct, and Jerome Morgan, who spent 20 years in prison before a judge declared that he was actually innocent.

Norris Henderson, the executive director of VOTE, or Voice Of The Experienced, acknowledged that with a room full of defense attorneys and sympathetic football players, the panel was preaching to the choir. No one gave the perspective of Orleans Parish District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro or his predecessor, Harry Connick Sr.

Still, Henderson said, “even preaching to the choir, everyone needs to be in harmony.”

There were no grand agreements on criminal justice reform by the end of the day. The commissioner and players settled on a next step familiar to anyone who has ever sat through a long meeting: another meeting.

Nevertheless, there were some specific action items. Davis pledged to speak up in favor of the November ballot item that could do away with Louisiana’s nonunanimous jury rule, which allows just 10 of 12 jurors to send a defendant away for life.

Saints President Dennis Lauscha promised to speak with fellow business leaders about hiring the formerly incarcerated.

Meanwhile, Benson made an impromptu offer of office space in Benson Tower to Syrita Steib-Martin, the executive director of Operation Restoration, which helps women and girls re-entering society after prison stints.

Steib-Martin had just finished describing her own struggles in the workforce after prison.

“You’re going to make me cry,” Steib-Martin said, and then she did.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 07:24 AM

Lmmfao, slavery for committing crime....bahahahahahaha.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 07:27 AM

You will notice, if you have an ounce of intelligence, nothing is discussed of guilt. They're not concerned with whether the people are guilty. Keep that in mind the next time you read about the 12 year old girl beat, raped, and dead body set on fire..or the 8 year old accidentally shot.

frydaddy · 09-12-2018, 07:33 AM

“I was just overwhelmed with sadness,” Watson said. “Their lives are never going to be the same, whether they’re guilty or innocent.”

Uh, well, if they're guilty then perhaps they deserve it? Maybe try not committing crimes? I'm so sick of all this BS.

saintfan · 09-12-2018, 07:59 AM

They're going to stop setting bail and they're going to start releasing criminals yet to have their day in court back out into the world. This is what they just implemented in California. It is 'catch and release 2.0'.

This is not to say our system of 'justice' is perfect. Having been through a nasty divorce I can confirm it is FAR from that, but you don't cut off your nose to spite your face, even when you have a cold.

TheOak · 09-12-2018, 08:14 AM

What are "black people"?

I only know of friends, family, strangers, and everyone else are assh0les.

#equality

burningmetal · 09-12-2018, 08:39 AM

This is further proof of how shallow this whole "racial injustice" claim is. We always hear about black people being "over represented" in the prison system, and yet nothing is provided to show how this is a justice system problem, as opposed to a black crime problem.

And then in the first few sentences of this article, I see the ignorance dripping from their words. Oh, this poor disabled man accused of cocaine possession. How DARE they look past his unenviable circumstances, and hold him accountable for his cocaine possession.

And the shackles... ohhh the shackles. How dare they put this man in shackles that somehow remind a man who is alive 150 years after slavery ended, of the aforementioned slavery that he surprisingly remembers. Yes, they put those shackles on ALL people, but it only makes us sad when a black person is wearing them. When I think of equality, I picture the scales of justice leaning entirely to the left, where all of the black liberals are. After all, equality means "revenge" on the white man, right?

If the sarcasm wasn't obvious to anyone.... Here's your sign.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 08:48 AM

Sad how much I used to respect BEn WAtson, but man you look at his Twitter feed and some of what he is doing here, he's gone to ****

Think it goes to prove that some people pretend to be moderate seeking support, but eventually their true colors show.

jnormand · 09-12-2018, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Sad how much I used to respect BEn WAtson, but man you look at his Twitter feed and some of what he is doing here, he's gone to ****

Think it goes to prove that some people pretend to be moderate seeking support, but eventually their true colors show.

Ben is only worried about taking care of his own race. He doesn't care about equality. He wants his race to be held to a lower standard and allowed to claim victim. He doesn't want people held accountable.

This article is a joke.

Hey mods, its gonna get ugly in here. Might as well tear this one down now and throw it in the poli-science forum.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This is further proof of how shallow this whole "racial injustice" claim is. We always hear about black people being "over represented" in the prison system, and yet nothing is provided to show how this is a justice system problem, as opposed to a black crime problem.

And then in the first few sentences of this article, I see the ignorance dripping from their words. Oh, this poor disabled man accused of cocaine possession. How DARE they look past his unenviable circumstances, and hold him accountable for his cocaine possession.

And the shackles... ohhh the shackles. How dare they put this man in shackles that somehow remind a man who is alive 150 years after slavery ended, of the aforementioned slavery that he surprisingly remembers. Yes, they put those shackles on ALL people, but it only makes us sad when a black person is wearing them. When I think of equality, I picture the scales of justice leaning entirely to the left, where all of the black liberals are. After all, equality means "revenge" on the white man, right?

If the sarcasm wasn't obvious to anyone.... Here's your sign.

I do believe we should treat possession different than distribution, but with that said, how many, of any race, would flip these ideas on their head as soon as an individual released on a possession charge got behind a vehicle, impaired, and proceeded to kill a mother and her two children in an accident. Their first question would be- why was he on the street to commit this crime and not behind bars if they knew he has this potential. Their lawyer would then sue.

Some of those people would support this until it impacted them.

09-12-2018, 07:02 AM	#1
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391 Rating: (0 votes - average) Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system BY MATT SLEDGE \| MSLEDGE@THEADVOCATE.COM SEP 11, 2018 - 8:30 PM It was a typical morning in Magistrate Court in New Orleans: Twelve defendants were making their first appearances on recent arrests, 10 of them black and all of them shackled. But there was one big difference this Tuesday: National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell shared a hard wooden bench with a worried grandfather. Saints players Benjamin Watson and Demario Davis watched as Magistrate Judge Harry Cantrell set $1,500 bail for a disabled man accused of cocaine possession. Afterward, one observer said it was impossible to hear the clink of the defendants' metal shackles without thinking of slavery. Goodell agreed. “I was just overwhelmed with sadness,” Watson said. “Their lives are never going to be the same, whether they’re guilty or innocent.” The indelible image of a powerful sports executive mixing with the poor and desperate came courtesy of the Players Coalition. NFL players created the social justice organization last year in the wake of protests by Colin Kaepernick and other players who refused to stand during the national anthem in response to police killings of black people. The Players Coalition organized a daylong symposium Tuesday on the criminal justice system at the Orleans Public Defenders office that was also attended by Saints owner Gayle Benson and defensive end Cam Jordan. In May, the NFL agreed to spend nearly $90 million on a “social justice partnership” with the group. Observers said the league may have hoped it would tamp down on the game-day demonstrations. The protest controversy is hardly over, as the uproar over Kenner Mayor Ben Zahn’s Nike policy proved this week. But Players Coalition members like Watson and Davis say they hope to use events like the symposium to refocus the attention the protests have generated onto concrete issues like bail reform. Davis and and Watson penned an op-ed last week asking the media to look beyond the debate over the protests during the national anthem to the underlying issues that sparked them. "Trying to make your country a better place is the most patriotic thing you can do," said Davis, a linebacker. Tuesday's symposium was one of a series of similar events the Players Coalition has organized in Detroit, Philadelphia and New York City. The group has also hosted seven forums ahead of elections for district attorney in other cities. “We’ve obviously, over the last couple of years, had a huge conflict,” said Watson, a tight end. “But when you are able to deal with that conflict in a constructive manner, then you get meetings like this.” For eight hours, Goodell listened attentively — sometimes interjecting questions — as defense attorneys and formerly incarcerated people spoke. In the day’s first session, Orleans Parish Chief Public Defender Derwyn Bunton explained the plethora of bail fees and court costs that defendants pay to help support the city's criminal justice system. Federal judges recently declared that “user pays” system to be unconstitutional because the state judges who set fines and fees cannot be impartial when their own budget is at stake. After watching the bail hearings, Davis agreed. “The judge didn’t let anybody off on no bail,” he said. “The judge has a conflict of interest, because he has to get the people in his office paid.” As the commissioner and players lunched at Cafe Reconcile, speakers described the power of prosecutors, which a panel described as arbitrary and unaccountable. Goodell sat next to Robert Jones, who spent 23 years in prison before his case was dismissed amid allegations of prosecutor misconduct, and Jerome Morgan, who spent 20 years in prison before a judge declared that he was actually innocent. Norris Henderson, the executive director of VOTE, or Voice Of The Experienced, acknowledged that with a room full of defense attorneys and sympathetic football players, the panel was preaching to the choir. No one gave the perspective of Orleans Parish District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro or his predecessor, Harry Connick Sr. Still, Henderson said, “even preaching to the choir, everyone needs to be in harmony.” There were no grand agreements on criminal justice reform by the end of the day. The commissioner and players settled on a next step familiar to anyone who has ever sat through a long meeting: another meeting. Nevertheless, there were some specific action items. Davis pledged to speak up in favor of the November ballot item that could do away with Louisiana’s nonunanimous jury rule, which allows just 10 of 12 jurors to send a defendant away for life. Saints President Dennis Lauscha promised to speak with fellow business leaders about hiring the formerly incarcerated. Meanwhile, Benson made an impromptu offer of office space in Benson Tower to Syrita Steib-Martin, the executive director of Operation Restoration, which helps women and girls re-entering society after prison stints. Steib-Martin had just finished describing her own struggles in the workforce after prison. “You’re going to make me cry,” Steib-Martin said, and then she did.
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09-12-2018, 07:24 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Lmmfao, slavery for committing crime....bahahahahahaha. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and CharityMike like this.

09-12-2018, 07:27 AM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system You will notice, if you have an ounce of intelligence, nothing is discussed of guilt. They're not concerned with whether the people are guilty. Keep that in mind the next time you read about the 12 year old girl beat, raped, and dead body set on fire..or the 8 year old accidentally shot. jnormand, frydaddy, CharityMike and 1 others like this.

09-12-2018, 07:33 AM	#4
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,947 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system “I was just overwhelmed with sadness,” Watson said. “Their lives are never going to be the same, whether they’re guilty or innocent.” Uh, well, if they're guilty then perhaps they deserve it? Maybe try not committing crimes? I'm so sick of all this BS. jnormand, spkb25, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

09-12-2018, 07:59 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system They're going to stop setting bail and they're going to start releasing criminals yet to have their day in court back out into the world. This is what they just implemented in California. It is 'catch and release 2.0'. This is not to say our system of 'justice' is perfect. Having been through a nasty divorce I can confirm it is FAR from that, but you don't cut off your nose to spite your face, even when you have a cold. frydaddy likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system What are "black people"? I only know of friends, family, strangers, and everyone else are assh0les. #equality

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system This is further proof of how shallow this whole "racial injustice" claim is. We always hear about black people being "over represented" in the prison system, and yet nothing is provided to show how this is a justice system problem, as opposed to a black crime problem. And then in the first few sentences of this article, I see the ignorance dripping from their words. Oh, this poor disabled man accused of cocaine possession. How DARE they look past his unenviable circumstances, and hold him accountable for his cocaine possession. And the shackles... ohhh the shackles. How dare they put this man in shackles that somehow remind a man who is alive 150 years after slavery ended, of the aforementioned slavery that he surprisingly remembers. Yes, they put those shackles on ALL people, but it only makes us sad when a black person is wearing them. When I think of equality, I picture the scales of justice leaning entirely to the left, where all of the black liberals are. After all, equality means "revenge" on the white man, right? If the sarcasm wasn't obvious to anyone.... Here's your sign. jnormand, Rugby Saint II, frydaddy and 1 others like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-12-2018, 08:48 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Sad how much I used to respect BEn WAtson, but man you look at his Twitter feed and some of what he is doing here, he's gone to **** Think it goes to prove that some people pretend to be moderate seeking support, but eventually their true colors show.

09-12-2018, 08:53 AM	#9
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,530	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by spkb25 Sad how much I used to respect BEn WAtson, but man you look at his Twitter feed and some of what he is doing here, he's gone to **** Think it goes to prove that some people pretend to be moderate seeking support, but eventually their true colors show. Ben is only worried about taking care of his own race. He doesn't care about equality. He wants his race to be held to a lower standard and allowed to claim victim. He doesn't want people held accountable. This article is a joke. Hey mods, its gonna get ugly in here. Might as well tear this one down now and throw it in the poli-science forum. spkb25, Rugby Saint II, frydaddy and 2 others like this.

09-12-2018, 09:07 AM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by burningmetal This is further proof of how shallow this whole "racial injustice" claim is. We always hear about black people being "over represented" in the prison system, and yet nothing is provided to show how this is a justice system problem, as opposed to a black crime problem. And then in the first few sentences of this article, I see the ignorance dripping from their words. Oh, this poor disabled man accused of cocaine possession. How DARE they look past his unenviable circumstances, and hold him accountable for his cocaine possession. And the shackles... ohhh the shackles. How dare they put this man in shackles that somehow remind a man who is alive 150 years after slavery ended, of the aforementioned slavery that he surprisingly remembers. Yes, they put those shackles on ALL people, but it only makes us sad when a black person is wearing them. When I think of equality, I picture the scales of justice leaning entirely to the left, where all of the black liberals are. After all, equality means "revenge" on the white man, right? If the sarcasm wasn't obvious to anyone.... Here's your sign. I do believe we should treat possession different than distribution, but with that said, how many, of any race, would flip these ideas on their head as soon as an individual released on a possession charge got behind a vehicle, impaired, and proceeded to kill a mother and her two children in an accident. Their first question would be- why was he on the street to commit this crime and not behind bars if they knew he has this potential. Their lawyer would then sue. Some of those people would support this until it impacted them. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and frydaddy like this.

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