Garland Jihad: Texas Imam wants “change to the [free speech] law where people do not disrespect highly devout people”

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“I think there needs to be a change to the law where people do not disrespect especially spiritually high people,” Texas Imam Mobasher Ahmed said.

“Spiritually high” like who — the jihadists?

So there you have — I am not saying it, a Texas imam is. This is the objective, and what I fight against. The media has already submitted to sharia restrictions on free speech and viciously enforce the ban against violators (like myself).

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I am not a Muslim. I will not adhere to sharia (Islamic law) and its restrictions on free speech (and freedom).

The First Amendment states, plainly,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;

When asked, “Do you believe that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should be permitted under the Constitution’s First Amendment?, 58% replied “no,” while only 42% affirmed this most basic manifestation of freedom of speech, i.e., to criticize religious, or any other dogma.

Indeed, oblivious to US constitutional law, as opposed to Islam’s Sharia, a largely concordant 45% of respondents agreed “…that those who criticize or parody Islam in the U.S. should face criminal charges,” while 38% did not, and 17% were “unsure.”  Moreover, fully 12% of this Muslim sample even admitted they believed in application of the draconian, Sharia-based punishment for the non-existent crime of “blasphemy” in the US code, answering affirmatively, “…that Americans who criticize or parody Islam should be put to death.” (thanks to Dr. Andrew Bostom)

The reporter for this story sounds surprised that we have supporters and that they own up to it. It’s like Bill O’Reilly on his show tonight. O’Reilly refused to release results from his AFDI Muhammad cartoon poll. He said it was “slammed” in OUR favor, so therefore “untrustworthy.” lol

Group that hosted Prophet Muhammad Cartoon Contest has local supporters
Author: Joel Eisenbaum, Investigative Reporter, Channel 2 Houston, May 12, 2015

The group that hosted the “Prophet Muhammad Cartoon Contest” that ended with the death of two suspected terrorists in Garland, has loyal followers in Houston, Channel 2 Investigates has learned.

Channel 2 Investigates has learned a handful of local members attended the Garland event.

“We are in a battle to stand for our First Amendment and to me that’s a battle worth fighting,” a Houston AFDI member, said.

That member, who wanted to be identified as Alexander, attended the cartoon contest event, along with approximately 250 others.?

“I think they were hoping to, possibly, as the crowd was streaming out, they could just wipe us all out,” Alexander said.

None of the event’s attendees were injured.

In a recent interview with Channel 2’s Joel Eisenbaum, Alexander said he does not advocate violence.

The group, AFDI, was founded by Pamela Geller, a New Yorker, who is Jewish.

She has been labeled as anti-Muslim by some groups.

“There is a lot of ignorance about who Muslims are,” Daisy Khan, with American Society for Muslim Advancement told CNN.

Geller’s organization has been labeled an extremist hate group by multiple civil rights organizations, including the Anti Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“We should be holding these types of events every month,” Geller said in an interview with NBC News.

But Alexander appeared to be more moderate in his tone.

“Let’s learn to talk in peace and have a conversation,” Alexander said.

When asked about attending the Garland contest, and how the event offended Muslims by depicting the Prophet Muhammad, Alexander responded that people have a right to be offended but not to respond to the offense with violence.

“I’m offended by the Playboy Channel so I don’t subscribe to it,” Alexander said.

But other Houstonians, including a Houston area Muslim imam, who condemned the Garland attack, but supports restrictions on free speech, believes incendiary language should be restricted by law.

“I think there needs to be a change to the law where people do not disrespect especially high people,” Imam Mobasher Ahmed said.

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disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago

The day they decide to criminalize speech against islam is the day I start my own group demanding stiff penalties for insulting Christianity or any other religion. Let’s see how THAT goes over.

And another thing…anyone who call AFDI “racist”, is obviously the RACIST, because clearly they’ve identified a particular race THEY have in mind!

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago

You don’t get it, that’s exactly what the muslim-nazis are planning on doing. The OIC has proposed a law that prohibits slandering any religion. The problem is, only one totalitarian, Jew hating death cult needs such “protection”.

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago
Reply to  defcon 4

I DO get it….because only totalitarian, non-muslim hating cult is the only one who’s going to GET any protection.

Grace
Grace
8 years ago

And his thoughts about the never ending slaughter of the people of the Cross and death to America, death to Israel?

Is there just peace being taught in his mosque or do they continue the quite quest to take over this land undermining it at every possible turn…. perhaps by rewriting the Constitution…kind of like what is happening in the UK with an attempt to make Islamophobia a crime. Oh wait, that what this new law would do wouldn’t it?

Dave B in AZ
Dave B in AZ
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

They’re testing the waters continually so we have to meet them head-on continually. Blood is the cost of freedom, eternal vigilance the payment.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

You are tragically mistaken. Please check these sites.
Ask any male in the ME how women are treated and they certainly are not going to tell you the truth from the women’s perspective. It is apparent that you do not understand Islam
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/10/19/uae.court.ruling/

Are you familiar with this Islamic tradition?
http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/countries/other-gulf-countries/

This is also important:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3932740

And if you ever plan to visit:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/what-tourists-need-to-know-before-going-to-dubai/story-e6frfq7r-1226683120406

God has guided me in this, but thank you for praying. May He give you wisdom as well. Islam is not anyone’s friend. Pray for the Muslims to come out of that cult. I’ve read most of their Qur’an and Hadith and have studied a bit on their history, particularly its foundation and later years with the Ottoman Empire. You would be wise to do the same and not rely on ‘all is right with the world’ tourist journalism. Be blessed

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

97% feel safe in UAE

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/97-feel-safe-in-uae
Actually, my non muslim friend (a Christian) was working at UAE for 3 years as a Construction Manager. He meet me and inform UAE is very safe country, If somebody try to touch a women without her permission or somebody try to tackle her which she don’t like…she may call police thru phone and the policeman will arrest the man without any further question..
Once, he left his expensive handphone at the food court, the next day he came back to the same location and he got back his handphone. No body dare to theft…
UAE is a nice country and muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…Worship only one Almighty God without any partners…

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

I’m glad your male friend felt safe. Was his position with a contracted US company?

From what he says that would make all the articles untrue. I personally do not believe they are untrue.

All I can tell you is that I’ve spoken with several former Muslims who are now Christians. Once they really found out what is required in their religion it was not something they wanted. Many Muslims, like many Christians will pick and choose what part of their faith they want to participate in. However, reading and learning what is actually required should be the deciding factor. We have a God who forgives and wants to heal and restore. He died for us. Their god hates and is a god of war and demands murdering all non-muslims.

When the battle warms up a bit more the Imams will have to put out the word that all Muslims will either have to adhere to their writings or they will be considered non-Muslims or infidels. It is in their doctrine.

A friend of mine has a friend who teaches in a university in Israel. In one semester she had many Muslim students. They got along very, very well and would tell stories and laugh a lot. One day somehow they got on the subject of a religious war and she wanted to know how they felt. She cared very much for them and thought she had made inroads to breaking down barriers. The Muslim students told that though they really like her and thought she was a wonderful teacher, that when the time came if there was war then they would have to kill her (and they did this by dragging a finger across their throat to illustrate cutting her throat). When push comes to shove they will honor their god.

james
james
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

A lot of Preist, Preacher and Catholic Bishop enter Islam after study Islam and AlQuran deeply…

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher
& Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam (From Texas)
Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest – all entering Islam

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK, A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

Matthew 26:39, He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”
Most muslims pray by bowed face to the ground, same as Jesus.

God is not a man…

Number 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless:
and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…Worship only one almighty God without any partners…

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

Allah is written as God in Arabic Bible. There are about 15 millions Arab Christian in middle east using this Bible.

[Genesis 1:1 – English Bible – King James Version]

“In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . ”

[Genesis 1:1 – Arabic transliteration]

“Fee al-badi’ khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . ”

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O
daughters of Jerusalem.”
A lot of Priest, Preacher and Catholic Bishop has enter Islam after study AlQuran and Islam deeply,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest – all entering Islam.

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

The original Bible was not in Greek. The OT was Hebrew and Aramaic. Why would the Jews write the Torah in Greek. That does not make sense at all. Moses was not Greek.

The NT was Aramaic and then Greek and Hebrew.

Mudhammad was NEVER written in the Hebrew Bible. He wanted to be the prophet in Deut 18:15, but that place was reserved for Jesus Christ. If he was he would have been recognized as a prophet. Islam decided to write him in, but he has never been recognized outside of islam in the Jewish writings. Jews and Christian certainly would not be overlooking this. It was because he was not accepted is what led to his hatred of Jews and Christians.

Did you know Jerusalem is written over 806 times in the Holy Bible and is not once written in the Qur’an? Why on earth would Mudhammad suddenly show up in one obscure verse. Jerusalem was not holy to him at all.

True many ME Christians call God Allah and called Him that before Islam ever existed. Islam hijacked many things from other faiths. God is called by many other names in other cultures. Did you know that the Arabs at the time of Mudhammad practiced Ramadan before he added that to Islam?

The God of Israel has many names in the Scriptures, but is never referred to as Allah.

The god of islam is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the lineage of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean
and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

Matthew 26:39, He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”
Most muslims pray by bowed face to the ground.

Islam is not a new religion,,Islam is a continual of previous revelation….worship only one almighty god without partners…follow Jesus Greatest Commandment…

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not
make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

All muslim must believe all prophets include Adam, Abraham, David, Solomon, Jacob, Jesus and Muhammad.

There are verse of Mary (Jesus Mother) in AlQuran which is not in Bible..

90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the
expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term.
In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13,
where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of
the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

Additional problems with Trinity To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This
is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people thatare in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus
3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts
speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment
of biblical prophecy.

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of
flesh? During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails,
and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in
ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly
human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet,
if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any
claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God,
even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered
God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not
die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’
(Malachi 3:6)

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he
could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was
not truly human.

Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’
(Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible ‘a man who has told you the truth’
(John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you
yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts
17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man ‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’ ‘so will the son of man be’
(Matthew 12:40)

‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)

‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)

‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)

‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)

In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of
a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’,
he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of
confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son
of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a
‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’
(Luke 18:19)

And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus ‘My Father is greater than I’ (John
14:28) ‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him ‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’
(John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the
Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God ‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God? ‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’(Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or
insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a
Way that is straight.”
(Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood
up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has
glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’
(Acts 5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke
11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea,and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt
12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God
and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in
what he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who
had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which
God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the
devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).

Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:

‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)

‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick
people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)

Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The
power of miracles was not within Jesus.

The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.

‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him – in the
garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)

‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to
Him’ (Mark. 1:13)

‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and he
was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’
(Mark 1:13)

The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done ‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)

‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.’ (John 5:30)

‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him
that sent me.’ (John 6:38)

Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills (‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’ commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus
admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have
the exact same will?

The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two ‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)

‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.’
(John 14:1)

If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s testimony as
separate from his own.

The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God ‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him
who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1
Corinthians 15:28)

Bible
says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise
& does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all
wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding
is infinite.’ (Psalms
147:5)

‘And
Jesus increased in wisdom.’
(Luke 2:52)

God
does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although he was a son,
he learned obedience’ (Heb.
5:8)

Jesus
had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is infinite. Since Jesus
did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the
God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.

‘No
one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor
the son, but only the Father.’
(Mark 13:32)

Bible
says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be tempted
’tempted
in every way – just as we are’ (Heb.
4:15)
‘for
God cannot be tempted by evil’
(James 1:13)
Since
God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible
says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from himself
‘So
Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who
sent me.’
(John 7:16)

Jesus
could not have said this if he were God because the doctrine would
have been his.

Bible
says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that
Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God
is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term
applies only to God.

Bible
says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the
Father.’
(John 6:57)
Jesus
cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.

Bible
says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given
unto me.’ (Matt
28:18)
God
is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not
be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be
God.

Bible
says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father
hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John
8:28)
‘The
Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’
(John 12:49)
‘I
have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John
15:10)

No
one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing and would owe
His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus
cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the
commander and the commanded are not one.

Bible
says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus
both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts
2:36)
‘Lord’
is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus
are called ‘Lord.’ For example:

1)
property owners (Matt.
20:8)
2)
heads of households (Mark
13:35)
3)
slave owners (Matt.
10:24)
4)
husbands (1
Pet. 3:6)
5)
a son called his father Lord (Matt.
21:30)
6)
the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts
25:26)
7)
Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt.
27:63)

‘Lord’
is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word is kurios)
is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the
Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was
‘made’ Lord would make no sense.

Bible
says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was
made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’
(Hebrews 2:9)

God,
the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own creation, but
Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible
says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God,
why have You forsaken me?’
(Matt. 27:46)
‘I
ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’
(John 20:17)

‘the
temple of my God the name of my God the city of my God comes down out
of heaven from my God.’ (Rev.
3:12)

Jesus
did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God is the same as
ours.

Bible
says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no
man has seen God at any time.’ (John
1:18)

Bible
says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it:
According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus
on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had
Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be
God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.

Because
in these two instances, when charged, in the one case, with making
himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he
denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal
with God, he says immediately:

‘The
son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and
directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John
5:19, 30)

In
answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in
substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your
magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not
call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God
(John 10:34-36).

This
is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response. Hastings in
‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of
himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading
‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son
language (Mark
18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim)
goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor,
Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found
ancient documents concludes that:

‘The
(Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son of God are later
additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of
deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire
lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades
after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism.
The first three decades of the existence of the church were
within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the
followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of Jesus.’

Assuming
Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God. What did it mean?
We first need to know the language of his people, the language
of the Jews to whom he was speaking.

The
Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there
are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to
other persons in the Old or New Testament.

For
Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a true son of God,
other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be
considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too
according to such method.

Adam:
‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke
3:38)
Jacob
is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my
firstborn.’ (Exodus
4:22)

Solomon:
‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’
(2 Samuel 7:13-14)

Ephraim:
‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.’
(Jeremiah
31:9)

is
God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of God: ‘Ye
are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

If Muslims loved, believed and followed Jesus why on earth do they slam Christianity and specifically write on the Dome of the Rock “He begetteth not nor was begotten.”

Why would they write such a thing if it wasn’t to slam Jesus Christ?

If muslims loved and followed Jesus;
~ they would love their enemy and not chop off their heads and ‘smite them wherever they find them’.
Matthew 5:14 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you”,

~ they would believe that He is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

Yes, Jesus claimed Himself to be God which was one of the many reasons the Pharisees wanted to kill him.
John 5:18 “Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”

He stated that He was in the Father and that the Father was in Him and that He was one with the Father.

John 14:9-11 He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.”

He states He is the I Am in John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

He is the Creator of the world and all things were made through Him. John 1:1-5 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.”

Note: It read “the Word was God.” Jesus Christ is the Word and the Word is God. This makes Jesus God. Verse 14 of John 1 reads “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

Islam was started in AD 1610 by Mudhammad when he had his first vision.

If, as you claim, Muslims must believe in Jesus, then why do they seek to kill all non-muslims. Jesus did not come to set up a new religion. He came to fulfill the promise written in the Scriptures which was given to the Jews. God promised the Messiah would come through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God came to earth. He took on flesh as He was born through a virgin. He grew to be a man and was crucified, died and was buried and then rose on the 3rd day. He fulfilled over 100 prophecies of how God was going to redeem mankind. God opened redemption for all mankind.

Christ died for all the sins of mankind.
John 3:16-17 “16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”

If you do not believe Jesus is the Christ, God incarnate who took your sins upon Himself, then you remain in your sins. It is as simple as that.

I pray you come to know the true Jesus Christ. He is not a man as all other men, but He is God in the flesh in the form of man, but was not born from sin and knew no sin. He is the perfect sacrifice because He is God who is perfect. No one could be the perfect sacrifice unless he was God. No mere mortal could ever be the perfect sacrifice which is why God had to come. His gift of redemption is free to all, even to Muslims and there are 100s of 1000s who have accepted Him as God.

I pray you will too. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He will because He wants you to know Him.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

David: For thou desirest not sacrifice: Psalms 51:16

Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire: Psalms 40:6

Hosea: I desire mercy, and not sacrifice: Hosea 6:6

JC: I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: Matthew 9:13; 12:7

Paul: Sacrifice for sin: thou wouldest not: Hebrews 10:8

Many think the will of God is I’ll have sacrifice, and then mercy after. But the will of God flat out states I will have mercy, and not sacrifice; which means I will have grace, not law; And I will have life, not death.

Sadly, the doctrine of most modern churches is as if we will have sacrifice (law), and not mercy (grace); Which is as if to say we will have death, and not life.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more
than burnt offerings.

Thirty verses proofs – No crucifixion

Jesus Christ was neither killed nor was he crucified, as alleged by the
Christians and the Jews, but that he was alive! because:

1. Jesus was reluctant to die! He had worked out a strategy of defence
to repel the Jews. Because he wanted to remain alive!

2. He beseeched God for help. With strong crying and tears for God
Almighty to keep him alive!

3. God ‘heard’ his prayers which means that God accepted his prayers
to keep him alive!

4. An angel of god came to strengthen him: In the hope and belief that
God will save him alive!

5. Pilate finds Jesus not guilty! Good reason to keep Jesus alive!

6. Pilates wife shown a dream in which she was told that – ‘No harm
should come to this just man.’ In other words that he should be
saved alive!

7. Supposed to be on the cross for only three hours. According to the
system in vogue, no man could die by crucifixion in so short a time
which means that even if he was fastened to the cross – he was alive!

8. The other two – his ‘crossmates’ on their respective crosses were
alive. So Jesus too, for the same period of time must be alive!

9. Encyclopedia biblica under article ‘cross’ – column 960 says:
‘When the spear was thrust – Jesus was alive!

10. ‘Forthwith’ came there out blood and water: ‘Forthwith’ means
straightaway, immediately which was a sure sign that Jesus was alive!

11. Legs not broken – as a fulfilment of prophecy. ‘Legs’ can be of
any use only if Jesus was alive!

12.Thunderstorm, earthquake, and darkening of the sun all within 3 hours! To disperse
the sadistic mob to enable his ‘secret disciples’ to help, keep
him alive!

13. Jews doubted his death: They suspected that he had escaped death on
the cross – that he was alive!

14. Pilate ‘marvels’ to hear that Jesus was dead. He knew from
experience that no man can die so soon by crucifixion. He suspected
that Jesus was alive!

15. Big roomy chamber: Close at hand, and big and airy for willing hands
to come to the rescue. Providence was out to keep Jesus alive!

16. Stone and ‘winding sheets’ had to be removed: Only necessary if
Jesus was alive!

17. Report on winding sheets. German Scientists who carried out
experiments on the ‘Shroud of Turin’ said that the heart of Jesus
had not stopped functioning – that he was alive!

18. Ever in disguise! Disguise not necessary if Jesus was ‘resurrected’.
Only necessary if he was alive!

19. Forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him ‘Touch me not’ for this
reason that it would hurt; because he was alive!

20. ‘Not yet ascended unto my father’ In the language of the Jews, in
the idiom of the Jews, he was saying, ‘I am not dead yet’, in
other words, ‘I am alive!’

21. Mary Magdalene not afraid on recognising Jesus. Because she had seen
signs of life before. She was looking for a Jesus who was alive!

22. Disciples petrified on seeing Jesus in the upper-room. All their
knowledge about the ‘crucifixion’ was from hearsay, therefore,
they could not believe that Jesus was alive!

23. Ate food again and again in his post ‘crucifixion’ appearances.
Food only necessary if he was alive!

24. Never showed himself to his enemies. Because he had escaped death by
the ‘skin of his teeth’. He was alive!

25. Took only short trips. Because he was not resurrected, not
spiritualised, but alive!

26. Testimony of men around the tomb “Why seek ye the living among the
dead?” (Luke 24:4-5) That he is not dead, but alive!

27. Testimony of angels “angels who had said that he was alive!”
(Luke 24:23) Did not say, ‘resurrected’ but the actual word uttered by the angels
was ‘Alive!’

28. Mary Magdalene testifies “they heard that he was alive, and had
been seen by her, they believed not” (Mark
16-11).

Mary did not vouch for a spook, or ghost or spirit of Jesus but a Live
Jesus. What they could not believe was that the Master was alive!

29. Dr. primrose testifies: That the ‘water and the blood’, when
Jesus was lanced on the side, was on account of an upset in the
nervous vessels because of the scourging by staves. Which was a sure
sign that Jesus was alive!

30. Jesus had himself foretold that his miracle will be the miracle of
Jonah! According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was alive, when we
expected him to be dead; similarly when we expect Jesus to be dead,
he should be alive!
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance.

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

You are essentially saying the entire New Testament is not true. Well, you are quite mistaken.

Yes, Jesus was crucified. Read the accounts of the historians of the time. Josephus, Taticus… well just go here, as it has more info than I wish to put in this little space:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/crucified.htm

Regarding sacrifices ~ God wants our heart to be compassionate and loving towards others and not to think that sacrificing animals is the way to heaven. If you read the Tanakh/Old Testament you will find that God did require a sin sacrifice, so don’t confuse the two. He wants repentance from us and admission of guilt that we are sinners, not to go out and hurt, steal, destroy others and then think we can make it all ok by sacrificing an animal. He wants our hearts changed.

The Jews would take an animal, put their hand on it to transfer their sins an then sacrifice it. That was the physical act. God was working toward the final sacrifice of Himself which happened when He came as LORD Jesus. The the traditions the Jews went through was a physical foreshadowing of the Spiritual that was to come. Jesus fulfilled the law of righteousness as the perfect sinless Lamb of God. Read the NT again, but ask the LORD God with as honest a heart as you can, to reveal His word to you. You have an understanding, but it is not spiritually led.

May our Almighty Creator, the LORD God of Israel open your eyes to His word in a mighty way.

Praying for you Jack!

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,
WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH?

“CHRIST” NOT A NAME

Over a thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. They produce “a thousand and one” prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let us hold the thousand” prophecies in abeyance for a moment and examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews.

We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning “anointed.” The Greek word for “anointed” is Christos from which we get the word Christ.

Priests and kings were “anointed” when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1).

We are reminded in the Gospel of St.Luke that “WHEN EIGHT DAYS WERE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CIRCUMCISING OF THE CHILD, HIS NAME WAS CALLED JESUS, WHICH WAS SO NAMED OF THE ANGEL BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB.” (Luke 2:21). The name that was given to Mary for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ. The Jews were not the ones to accept his claim on its face value. They wanted proof!

MIRACLE AS PROOF

Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews – the Scribes and Pharisees – came to Jesus and asked, “MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE”. (Matthew 12:38). What they really wanted was some “magic trick,” some “sleight of hand” like producing a rabbit out of a hat or walking on the water or flying in the air or trodding on burning coal. This is the type of “sign” or MIRACLE they were looking for. The Jews mistook him for a sorcerer, a wizard, a charlatan.

NO “SIGN” BUT ONE

With righteous indignation Jesus replies: “AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE’S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.” Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, “NO SIGN.” He does not refer the Jews to blind Bartimeus whose sight he had restored. He does not speak about the “woman with issues” who was healed by merely touching him; or about the 2000 pigs he had destroyed to heal “a man possessed;” or the 5000 and the 3000 people he had fed and satiated with a few pieces of fish and a few pieces of bread. “No sign,” says Jesus, BUT ONE! – “THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAS!” He is putting all his “eggs” in one basket. His claim to being the Messiah (Christ) stands or falls the ONLY “sign” he was prepared to give.

Did Jesus fulfill the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S! without heeding the Biblical advice – ‘not to take things for granted.’ – but “PROVE ALL THINGS!” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

JONAH FLEES HIS CALL

What was the “sign” (miracle) of Jonah? We have to go to the “Book of Jonah” in the Old Testament to find out. God commanded Jonah to go to Nineveh and warn the Ninevites to repent from their “evil ways, and from the violence that is in their hands.” (Jonah 3:8) But Jonah was loath to go as a warner unto the Ninevites, so he goes to Joppa instead of Ninevah, and takes a boat to run away from the Lord’s command.

While at sea, there was a terrible tempest. According to the superstition of the mariners, a person fleeing from his Master’s command creates such a turmoil at sea. They began to enquire among themselves and said, “COME, AND LET US CAST LOTS, (like the tossing of a coin, “head” or “tail”) THAT WE MAY KNOW FOR WHOSE CAUSE THIS EVIL IS UPON US. SO THEY CAST LOTS, AND THE LOT FELL UPON JONAH.” (Jonah 1:7). Though here was a temporary lapse on the part of Jonah in fulfilling his mission, he manfully and most outrageously volunteers: “AND HE SAID UNTO THEM TAKE ME UP, AND CAST ME FORTH INTO THE SEA; SO SHALL THE SEA BE CALM UNTO YOU: FOR I KNOW THAT FOR MY SAKE THIS GREAT TEMPEST IS UPON YOU.” (Jonah 1:12)

DEAD OR ALIVE?

Since Jonah was selflessly offering himself as a “vicarious” sacrifice there was no need for strangling him before throwing him into the sea, no need to spear him or break his arm or limb. In his own words: “TAKE ME UP AND CAST ME FORTH.” The question now arises, that when the shipmaster and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or alive? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: “ALIVE!” The storm subsides. Was this perhaps a coincidence? A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is “ALIVE” Was he dead or alive when “JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH’S BELLY?” (Jonah 2:1)

Surely dead men don’t cry and don’t pray! The answer again is “ALIVE” For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? “ALIVE!” is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: “AS JONAH WAS ….. SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE” LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive for three days and three nights? Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim!

UNLIKE JONAH

If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the death” of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said “LIKE Jonah” not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting “CHRIST”.

THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?

The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor – “as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth.” “Please note,” says the learned theologian, “that the word “THREE” is repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT ‘As Jonas was’ in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: “OF COURSE!”

PUBLIC HOLIDAY

The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: “FRIDAY!” Is this the reason we celebrate “Good Friday” – as a Public Holiday in every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire at Easter? What makes Good Friday” so good? “it is the death of Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our sins,” says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 19xx years ago? “YES!” says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then dispatching him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an “accursed of God” and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, “that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.”

To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the “secret disciples” of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with “one hundred pounds weight of aaloes and myrrh” (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulcher before night-fall.

WHY “SUPPOSED”?

There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word ‘SUPPOSED’ three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his “secret disciples” to a more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word ‘SUPPOSED’ three times.

In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:-

EASTER WEEKIN THE SEPULCHER DAYSNIGHTSFRIDAY – placed in tomb just before sunset- nil -One nightSATURDAY – supposed to be in tombOne dayOne nightSUNDAY – missing before sunrise- nil — nil -TOTALOne Day Two Nights
You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD for the same period of time as Jonah was – ALIVE.

SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result – THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was “before sunrise” on Sunday morning (the FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.

“GOOD” WEDNESDAY

The Armstrong family has debunked the whole Christian world. They seem to know their arithmetic! Mr Robert Fahey of the “Plain Truth” magazine, delivered a lecture recently at the “Holiday Inn,’ Durban, where I was present. Mr Fahey attempted to prove to his Christian audience that Jesus Christ was crucified on a Wednesday and not on Friday, as is supposed by Orthodox Christianity for the past two thousand years. According to him if one counts backwards from Sunday morning deducting 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS, one ought to get WEDNESDAY as the answer.

I congratulated Mr Fahey for his ingenuity. I asked him, how was it possible for the past two thousand years the whole Christian world celebrated GOOD FRIDAY instead of GOOD WEDNESDAY. Thus the 1,200,000,000 Christians of the world today are ignorant of the correct day of the so called crucifixion! It means that even the Roman Catholic Church – which claims an unbroken chain of Popes from Peter to this day – according to Mr Fahey are mislead.

GOD OR THE DEVIL?

The question arises, who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. GOD or the DEVIL? Mr Fahey categorically answered: “THE DEVIL!” “If the devil,” I said, “can succeed in confusing the Christians in the most elementary things of their Faith, whether to celebrate a Good Friday or a Good Wednesday, then how much easier for him to mislead Christians in other things concerning God?” Mr Fahey blushed and walked away.

If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we not then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history?
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance,,,,worship only one almighty god without any partners…

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Hey Jack,

Do you have a spirit? Do you have a soul? Do you have a mind? Do you have a body? How many of you are there? If you can be so many and still be one, why cannot God be three persons?

Do you believe Genesis 1:1-2?

“1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”

Do you realize that not only are God and His Spirit noted here representing part of the Godhead, the Hebrew word for God is Eloheim. You will note that Eloheim is a plural form of one. Kind of like one of your has five fingers, but is till one hand, or one egg has a yolk, a white and a shell, but is one egg. Different parts but yet one. And remember God said “Let US make mankind in OUR image”

Why can’t God come to earth and take on human flesh? If He can hold the universe in the span of His hand and created the smallest of molecules to the vastness of space, how hard could it be to come to earth and take on flesh? Jesus was unique from a normal man in that God was His Father. He came from the Father

Yes, I am quite aware what Christ translates to. Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, He is the Messiah, the One promised in the Tanakh. Following blindly as you stated has nothing to do with it. Thousands of witnesses, disciples going to their death verifying He fulfilled many prophecies from the OT, historians validate, thousands of archeological finds, these are just a few things that PROVE HE IS who He said.

Whether you believe or not now, you most assuredly will with He raptures the church out of here and you are left dealing with God’s wrath on earth. I pray you will repent in that time if not before and be spared. You split hairs on Jonah and there is plenty of proof. I will not write a sermon for you. Just look at the Scripture! There is no other book on earth like it! No other faith has anything that covers 1500 years to be written, has 40 different authors, 66 books all telling of the love of God for mankind and what He did to redeem us…. and you just want to throw it out. Tens of thousands of copies of the NT found in the first 150 after Christ ascended, the proof of the Dead Sea Scrolls and yet you doubt.

Praying for you Jack…. praying God would come crashing into your life and you will know Who Jesus is. I have heard His voice. He has helped me more times than I can count and He continues to help me in many ways. I love Him and I will not leave Him.

I pray you come to know the LOVE of God who died for your sins and want you to be in heaven and all you need do is believe and receiving Him. He made it easy so that anyone could come to Him, but you must come to Him. You must believe He exists and that will take an element of faith. You can even ask Him for that much faith to help understand who He is and He will answer you. Why don’t you try and see what He does? He is good and He is holy and He love you, Jack. Am praying for you.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,
very serious problems and real facts about Christian :

THE QUESTIONS NOBODY WANTS TO ANSWER –

What about the Bible? Who actually wrote it?

What was the original language of the Bible? (Hebrew? Aramaic? Koine Greek?)
NOTE: – The Bible was never in English during the time of any prophet (not even Muhammad) – because English did not exist until after 1066 AD!

Does the Bible exist in the original form anywhere on earth? (No)

Why does the Catholic Bible has seven (7) more books than the Protestant Bible?

Why do these two Bibles have different versions of the same books?

Why are there so many mistakes and errors are from the very first verse right up to the very last verse?

Why do ‘Born Again Christians’ teach concepts that are not from the Bible?

There is no word “Trinity” in the Bible in any version of any language

The oldest forms of Christianity do not support the ‘born again’ beliefs

Jesus of the English Bible complains about the ‘crucifixion’
(“Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani? – My God! My God! Why have You forsaken me?”) [Mk 15:34]

How can Jesus be the “Only Begotten Son” of John 3:16? When in Psalms 2:7 David is God’s “Begotten Son?”

Would a ‘Just’ God, a ‘Fair’ God, a ‘Loving’ God — punish Jesus for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?

What happens to people who died before Jesus came?

What happens to those who never hear this message?

What about innocent children who die although their parents are not Christian?

Didn’t God create Adam from dirt? — So, why does he need Mary to make Jesus?

And what about God?

How can God create Himself?

How can God be a man?

How can a man be a God?

How can God have a son?

The Bible says “Seth (is) the son of Adam” and that”Adam is the son of God.” [Lk 3:36]

Can’t God just forgive us and not have to kill Jesus?

And what about Jesus?

Jesus did not even carry the cross — Simon Cyre’ne, a passerby did! [Mk 15:21]

Jesus of the Bible was NOT on the cross for longer than six (6) hours — NOT three days —
(from the 3rd to the 9th hour) [Mk 15:25 & 15:33]

Jesus of the Bible did not spend three days and nights in the tomb — Friday night – until
Sunday before dawn — is not 3 days and nights!

Jesus DID NOT claim to be God – or even equal to God!
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance.

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Jack,
God inspired 40 different men to write the Bible through the course of about 1500 years. It was written in Hebrew at the time of Moses and when the Jews went to Babylon some of the writings, like portions of the book of Daniel were in Aramaic. I never said when it was written in English.

Just came across this and thought you would find it very interesting:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/20/scientists-claim-the-hidden-papyrus-uncovered-inside-this-mummy-mask-could-end-up-being-the-oldest-copy-of-a-christian-gospel-ever/

Obviously the original writings of the time of Moses do not exist except the Torah that are sealed in the Ark of the Covenant. The Dead Sea scrolls verify that the books we have now are what what used in 300 BC because they have all been authenticated with the exception of Esther. But with the perfection of which the rest of the books were written there leaves little doubt that Esther was altered. There are portions of the NT dating back to the 1st century. And by the sermons/messages of the early Christian leaders, the entire NT can be put together with the exception of 11 verses of one of the Gospels.

I may not have all the answers you want, only God does. I can tell you what I have learned through years of study, but you need to do your own. I’m not going to spoon feed you unless you honestly want to learn and stop mocking. The Scriptures are are over 25% prophetic with more than half of those coming true with 100 % accuracy. If that isn’t enough to cause you to stop and seriously, and I mean seriously consider the just the hard facts of it’s history then you’re on your own.

And BTW, yes Jesus did claim to be God and apparently so much so that that is one of the reasons why the Pharisees wanted to kill Him.

Matt 8:58 “Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, beforeAbraham was, I AM.”

Jesus proclaimed that He existed before Abraham. He also accepted worship. In several places in Scripture when Jesus would confront a demon they were terrified and would cry out “And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ,fn the Son of God!” And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.” Luke 4:41

Gabriel told Mary she would bear the Son of God. “And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” Luke 1:35

Many of your questions can be answered by study. Perhaps this link would add to your learning

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=son+of+God&t=NKJV#s=s_primary_0_1

But more importantly, ask God. He will lead you to many of the answers. There are somethings He keeps to Himself, but for the vast majority, He will guide.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

Contradictions in the Bible?
First and foremost, let me be perfectly clear on the position of Muslims regarding the authenticity of the Holy Bible. It is a condition of faith for believers to believe in all of God’s Books and scripture as stipulated by the Quran, the Last and Final Testament from Almighty God to mankind, that the previous scriptures, including of course the Old Testament (Arabic = Torah), the Psalms (Arabic = Zabur) and the New Testament (Arabic
= Injeel) were all from Almighty God (Arabic = Allah) in their original form. The beginning verses of the Quran clearly spell out the position of the ‘Believer’ with regard to these scriptures. As the translation from
Arabic may be rendered regarding the conditions of believers:
“And they (believers) believe in what is being sent down to you (Muhammad, peace be upon him) and they believe in what has been sent down before (previous Holy scriptures to Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, and of course Jesus, peace be upon them all).” [Quran 2:2,3]

Therefore, it must be established that Muslims do accept that Almighty Allah did send down many Holy Books and he did allow the people to alter, change, delete and make additions to these Books, and as such, they can not longer be considered as the “Word of God” in their present condition. This is something immediately agreed upon by all qualified Biblical scholars.

Incidentally, there is sufficient evidence in the Quran to prove the remainder of the Bible still contains many of the original teachings and sayings of the prophets to whom the various scriptures were revealed.

From the previous chapter we can easily determine that the original source of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments have been lost and are no longer extant in any language. What has remained and been referred to for translations, is in fact nothing more than old copies that do not necessarily agree with each other and there does exist in them obvious corruption in additions and deletions. Additionally, they are not
complete and do not have full agreement of the scholars of the Bible as to their meanings.

Just to offer a few of the many contradictions and errors of that which is being presented as the “Word of God” in the Bible I would like to quote the research of scholars of the Bible:
VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THEMSELVES
Genesis 6:3 and Genesis 11:11 – Life limited to 120 years?
Genesis 32:30 and Exodus 33:20 – Jacob’s life was preserved?
Exodus 4:22 and Jeremiah 31:9 – Who was God’s firstborn?
Numbers 23:19 and Genesis 6:6-7 – Does God repent or not?
2 Samuel 6:23 and 2 Samuel 21:8 – Did Michael have children?
2 Samuel 8:4 and 1 Chronicles 18:4 – 700 or 7000 horsemen?
2 Samuel 8:9-10 and 1 Chronicles 18:9-10 – Toi or Tou? Hadadezer or Hadarezer? Joram or Hadoram?
2 Samuel 10:18 and 1 Chronicles 19:18 – 700 or 7000 charioteers? 40,000 horsemen or footmen? Captain’s
name?
2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 – Who provoked David?
2 Samuel 24:9 and 1 Chronicles 21:5 – 800,000 or 100,000?
2 Samuel 24:13 and 1 Chronicles 21:11-12 – 7 or 3 years?
1 Kings 4:26 and 2 Chronicles 9:25 – 40,000 or 4,000 stalls?
1 Kings 5:15-16 and 2 Chronicles 2:2 – 3300 or 3600?
1 Kings 7:26 and 2 Chronicles 4:5 – 2000 or 3000 baths?
2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 – 22 or 42 years old?
2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9 – 18 or 8 years old? 3 months or 3 months and 10 days?
Ezra 2:65 and Nehemiah 7:67 – 200 or 245 singers?
Matthew 1:12 and Luke 3:27 – Who was Salathiel’s father?
Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 – Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 9:18 and Mark 5:22-23 – Dead or not?
Matthew 10:5-10 and Mark 6:7-8 – Bring a staff or not?
Matthew 15:21-22 and Mark 7:24-26 – The woman was of Canaan or Greece?
Matthew 20:29-30 and Mark 10:46-47 – One or two beggars?
Matthew 21:1-2 and Mark 11:1-2 – What happened to the ass?
Matthew 26:74-75 and Mark 14:72 – Before the cock crow once or twice?
Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1:18 – How did Judas die?
John 3:16 and Psalms 2:7 – Only begotten son?
John 5:31 and John 8:14 – Was Jesus’ record true or not?
VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THE TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE AND/OR THE DIVINITY OF JESUS
Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, 1 Timothy 6:16 – No one saw God.
Isaiah 42:8 – Do not praise and worship images.
Isaiah 45:1 – “Anointed” does not mean “God”.
Matthew 14:23, 19:13, 26:39, 27:46, 26:42-44 – Jesus prayed.
Matthew 24:36 – Jesus was not all-knowing.
Matthew 26:39 – Jesus and God had different wills.
Matthew 28:18 – All power was given to Jesus.
Mark 1:35, 6:46, 14:35-36 – Jesus prayed.
Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19 – Jesus denied divinity.
Mark 12:28-29 – God is one.
Mark 13:32 – Jesus was not all-knowing.
Mark 16:19 and Luke 22:69 – Jesus at the right hand of God.
Luke 3:21, 5:16, 6:12, 9:18, 9:28, 11:1-4, 22:41 – Jesus prayed.
Luke 4:18, 9:48, 10:16 – Jesus was from God.
Luke 7:16, 13:33, 24:18-19 – Jesus was a prophet.
Luke 10:21 – Jesus gave thanks.
Luke 23:46 – The spirit of Jesus was commended to God.
John 4:19 – Jesus was a prophet.
John 4:23-24 – Worship in spirit and truth.
John 14:28 – One was greater than the other.
John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28 – Jesus was helpless.
John 5:20 – The Father showed the son.
John 5:30 and 6:38 – Jesus and God had different wills.
John 5:31-32 – Jesus’ witness was not true.
John 6:11 and 11:41-42 – Jesus gave thanks.
John 6:32 – The Father was the provider, not the son.
John 7:29, 16:5, 16:28 – Jesus was from God.
John 7:16, 12:49, 14:24, 17:14 – Jesus’ words were not his.
John 8:42 – Jesus did not come of himself.
John 10:29 – “My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all.”
John 14:1 – Jesus said, “…believe also in me.”
John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15 – Jesus prayed.
John 14:31 and 15:10 – Jesus followed commands.
John 17:6-8 – “I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me.”
John 20:17 – Jesus had a god.
Acts 2:22 – Jesus was “a man approved of God.”
Romans 8:34 – Jesus was an intercessor.
1 Timothy 2:5 – Jesus was the mediator between God and humans.

Incidentally, these are really only some selections of contradictions and inaccuracies found in the modern versions of the Bible. There are many more but for the sake of time and space we have limited ourselves to those listed above.

Again I would like to repeat, the Muslim must believe in all original texts coming from Almighty God. The only subject being discussed here is whether or not the Bible being offered today in the English language is in fact, the real “Bible”.
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance….

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Hi Jack,

It is very good that you have so many questions! However I have one too.

How can you claim that “All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.”, and then claim the writing are altered and then want explanation of of many areas of Scriptures that can be understood through careful reading and study. However you throw it out because you do not understand the first time through. So how can you possibly love and follow Jesus if you do not follow His words nor believe what He said? No amount of my explaining this list will convince you because you are already convinced that the writings were changed. There are and should be expected to be minor discrepancies as the writing could only be copied by hand for hundreds of years, However, the Dead Sea Scrolls as I have mentioned earlier validate that what we have today is what was written 2300 years ago. Not good enough?

You ask
“The only subject being discussed here is whether or not the Bible being offered today in the English language is in fact, the real “Bible”. The real Bible as we mentioned was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. When possible, I like to look up certain words in their original to find out the fullness of that word as sometimes the English cannot give the depth though is accurate enough.

There are several English translations that are available. The ones I have found to be translated as close to the original language is the King James, and New American Standard. I have the New King James which takes out some of the archaic English words from the King James; such as ‘thee’and ‘thou’ and uses ‘you’. I also use the English Standard Version. Often I will check between these four.

If you look a Jewish Hebrew Tanakh with the English translation from a Jewish perspective right beside it, you will probably get a better translation, however there are many words in Hebrew that just do not translate to one or two words in English. Every language has its drawbacks in that some cultures will use three words to describe and action, however English may use eight to get the point across.

Here is a site that will help explain a little more:
http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/bible-faqs/why-are-there-so-many-versions-of-the-bible-in-english/

This is why study is so important to get a better understanding. I pray the LORD will lead you to someone near you who can pray with you and study with you, if you are serious about knowing God’s word.

We know the Qur’an has many variants and even allows previous sentences to be overruled by new statements. Not so in the Judeo-Christian Bible. There is always an explanation. However it requires time and a willingness to study. The LORD blesses those of us who have accepted Him with His Holy Spirit who also guides us in our seeking of Him. He would help you too if you asked Him to come into your life as well.

With the availability of internet, a plethora of Bible Studies and thousands of sermons on YouTube, I will let you look these up. If you are serious and wanting to know you will. If you are simply trying to egg me on and throw roadblocks or expect me to write volumes for all your questions, I do not have that kind of time to become your personal tutor and especially when there is so much available to the world.

Regarding a couple of your questions:

Matthew 21:1-2 and Mark 11:1-2 – What happened to the ass? No doubt given back, but who cares? The point is that Jesus told them what they would find and that is what was found and when asked why they wanted it they said what Christ said and were given the colt. But don’t miss the fact that this was a prophecy fulfilled! Zechariah 9:9 ““Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.”

John 7:16, 12:49, 14:24, 17:14 – Jesus’ words were not his. Jesus is part of the Godhead. What He does is in unity with the Father and the Holy Spirit. He does not act on His own because it is not He alone, it is the Trinity, anymore than your soul can act separately from your conscience. You are in it together. Heart, mind and soul.

Don’t forget that Jesus, though fully in flesh form was still part of the Trinity. I know this is sometimes hard to wrap our minds around, but if we consider ;

Psalm 49:15 “God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, for He shall receive me.” We see here that clearly God will redeem, not an earthly man. So God needed to come to earth in the form of man to pay the price. This is what Isaiah 53 is all about, the suffering Messiah.

It would be of use to remember that God is Spirit and we need to translate much of what happened in the Scriptures in the physical realm into the spiritual. What the Jews went through physically is what we go through spiritually. They worshiped the LORD and God bless, but after a generation or two they turned away from Him. The LORD would send prophets and tell Israel to turn back or there would be consequences. When they did not God corrected them, but He would never destroy them. He still loves them and takes them back when they repent. God does this with us. When we have Christ, our sins are paid and He gives us the Holy Spirit to live within us. When we start to sin, the Holy Spirit will convict us to stop and repent. If we do not, there are consequences.

Go to church, go to a Bible Study, ask God to reveal Himself to you. He will if you are serious. Get to know your Creator. Jesus Christ made a way for us to be with Him forever. He wasn’t just a nice man who died 2000 years ago. He fulfilled many prophecies and there are more to come.

Just keep your heart open and watch. He is magnificent and gracious and He loves you Jack. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

Is’King James’ Version the Actual Bible?

Note: The word “Bible” comes from the Koine Greek word “biblios”and it simply means the same as the word “book” in English. Nowhere in the Bible do we find the word
“Bible.” However, it is interesting to note the word “kitab” (Bible in Arabic) appears many times in the Quran, referring to the Bible and the People of the Book (Jews and Christians).

Let me begin by saying that the King James “version” of the Bible is in English. There was no English language until the year 1066 AD when the Normans invaded the Saxxons.
Therefore the English Bible cannot be anything like what any of the prophets spoke or understood, as it did not exist in their times.

Next, my grandfather, who was a devout and wonderful Christian man gave a
gift of the Holy Bible to my sisters and I almost fifty years ago. It was an authorized version of the Bible, being The Revised Standard

Version of the Bible which was a revised version of the American Standard
Version, published in 1901, which was a version of the King James Version, published in 1611, which was revised and corrected for the first time in 1612, etc. I was very much impressed with the easier to read text and clarification of some of the wording
which was presented in this version and began to read the Bible on a daily basis for hours at a time.

The removal of the Elizabethton English terms, phrases and expressions
made the Bible a more accessible and understandable and intimate Book for me. But that is not all the RSV did for me and many others, as well.

My love and respect for the Word of God increased the more that I spent time reading and understanding the message. The Bible became my most prized and respected book in my life. I often turned to it throughout the rest of my life in times of joy, happiness, sadness, troubles and pain. It was my compass, my road map, my weather vane and my friend. However, there were still some problems with this IMPROVED VERSION of the Holy Bible. It began to disturb and concern me to the extent that I made consultation with my father, who was also an ordained minister and student of the Bible since childhood. Based on his research and background in the origin and sources for modern day Christianity, I began to go deeper into the problems which had plagued my thinking and faith since childhood.

I prayed to Almighty God and then found the answers to some of the problems were spelled out very clearly in the very beginning of the exact same book.

“The King James Version has with good reason been termed ‘the noblest monument of English prose.’ Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration of ‘its simplicity, its dignity, its
power, its happy turns of express… the music of its cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.’ It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.”

“Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for a revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bibles was published in 1881-1885; and the
American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901.”

“Because of the unhappy experience with unauthorized publications in the two
decades between 1881 and 1901, which tampered with the text of the English Revised Version in the supposed interest of the American public, the American Standard Version was copyrighted, to protect the text from unauthorized changes. In 1928 this copyright was acquired by the International Council of Religious Education, and thus passed into
the ownership of the churches of the United States and Canada which were associated in this Council throughtheir boards of education and publication.”

“…. decision was reached that there is need for a thorough revision of the version of 1901..””In 1937 the revision was authorized by vote of the Council.”

“Thirty-two scholars have served as members of the Committee charged with making
the revision, and they have secured the review and counsel of an Advisory Board of fifty
representatives of the co-operating denominations.”

“Each section has submitted its work to the scrutiny of the members of the charter of the Committee requires that all changes be agreed upon by a two-thirds vote of the total
membership of the Committee.”

“The problem of establishing the correct Hebrew and Aramaic text of the Old testament is very different from the corresponding problem in the New Testament.”

“For the New Testament we have a large number of Greek manuscripts,
preserving many variant forms of the text. Some of them were made only two or three centuries later than the original composition of the books.”

“For the Old Testament only late manuscripts survive, all (with the exception of the Dead Sea Texts of Isaiah and Habakkuk and some fragments of other books) based on a standardized form of the text established many centuries after the books were written.”

“The present revision is based on the consonantal Hebrew and Aramaic text as fixed early in the Christian era and revised by Jewish scholars (the ‘Masoretes’) of the sixth to
ninth centuries. The vowel signs, which were added by the Masoretes, are accepted also in the main, but where a more probable and convincing reading can be obtained by assuming different vowels, this has been done.”

“…vowel points are less ancient and [less] reliable than the consonants.”

“Departures from the consonantal text of the best manuscripts have been made only
where it seems clear thaterrors in copying had been made before the text was standardized.”

“Most of the corrections adopted are based on the ancient versions [translations into Greek Aramaic, Syriac, andLatin], which were made before the time of the Masoretic revision and therefore reflect earlier forms of the text.”

“Sometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of
the versions provides a satisfactory restoration. Here we can only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text.”

“Many difficulties and obscurities, of course, remain.”

“Where the choice between two meanings is particularly difficult or doubtful, we have given an alternative rendering in a footnote.”

“If in the judgment of the Committee the meaning of a passage is quite uncertain or obscure, either because of corruption in the text or because of the inadequacy of our present knowledge of the language, that fact is indicated by a note.”

“It should not be assumed, however, that the Committee was entirely sure
or unanimous concerning every rendering not so indicated.”

“To record all minority views was obviously out of the question.”

“The King James Version of the New Testament was based upon a Greek text
that was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscript copying.”

“It was essentially the Greek text of the New Testament as edited by
Beza, 1589, who closely followed that published by Erasmus, 1516-1535, which was based upon a few medieval manuscripts.”

“The earliest and best of the eight manuscripts which Erasmus consulted
was from the tenth century, and [yet] he made the least use of it because it differed most from the commonly received text; Beza had access to two manuscripts of great value, dating from the fifth and sixth centuries, but he made very little use of them
because they differed from the text published by Erasmus.”

“We now possess many more ancient manuscripts of the new Testament, and
are far better equipped to seek to recover the original wording of the Greek text. The evidence for the text of the books of the New Testament is better that for any other ancient book, both in the number of extant manuscripts and in the nearness
of the date of some of these manuscripts to the date when the book
was originally written.”

The words are in plain English. The second paragraph says it all, “Yet, the King James Version has grave defects.

Therefore, we must conclude the “King James Version” is NOT the Actual
Bible sent by God to mankind.

Alot of Priests & Preachers entered Islam (List)

http://www.islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/1827-priests-a-preachers-enter-islam-list

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

You are looking for excuses, so read the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic versions if you want.

The facts are clear enough that God came to earth as Jesus Christ. He died for our sins and rose on the 3rd day. There are plenty of witness and historical documents to back this up as there are to back up the Jewish Tanakh. The English version is the best we have for those who speak English. I’m sure you would find something wrong in every version of the rest of the translations throughout the world, but the bottom line is that God loves us, will forgive us and put His Holy Spirit in us and at the end when we see Him face-to-face.

I have heard His voice on more than one occasion and have been the recipient of help and healing from Him more times than I can count. I know His love and nothing will change that. We each have to make our own decisions. I chose to follow the One who loves me and has made a way for me to be with Him after this life. I know that is sealed and that He will receive me when this life is over. I have a peace that no one can take away. I know who holds my future come what may.

Can you say the same? You could if you turn to Him and ask Him in. Your choice Jack. He loves you and is waiting for you. If you chose not to, then I pray you will change your mind after the rapture and the Christians are gone. You will have one more opportunity and it may cost your life here. But if you continue to refuse during the tribulation, then all will be lost to you when He comes to earth the 2nd time at the end of the tribulation. Jesus Christ will destroy all evil and there will be no negotiating. It will be swift and complete. I pray you will accept His grace now and not harden your heart.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

So, Jesus died physically on the cross, as was plain for all to see (John 19:34). But there is also the matter of spiritual death. When Jesus was hanging on the cross, He experienced death on our behalf. Even though He is God, He still had to suffer the agony of a temporary separation from the Father due to the sin He bore. After three hours of
supernatural darkness, Jesus cried, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
(Mark 15:34). So, could it be said that Jesus also “died” spiritually? Again, it was only His human nature that was separated from God, not His divine nature. God did not “die.”…It is proven there is no salvation…

Does the belief in Jesus (peace be upon him) as a ‘son of God’ really make sense?

What exactly does ‘son of God’ mean?

Can true salvation from God, be the punishment of someone else who is innocent from any of these crimes, to be punished as though he were guilty?

Does God need someone to suffer severe punishment, even though they are trying, day after day.

Did Jesus (peace be upon him) tell the people to take him as a god, or to worship him?

Let us find the answer to these and other important questions about the nature of Jesus of Christianity and Islam.

“Look to the Books”

To begin, let us do a sample comparison of the teachings of the Holy Books of Almighty God.

QURAN OF ISLAM

“Say: Oh my servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins, for he is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

[Noble Quran 39:53]

“If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks Allah’s forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

[Noble Quran 4:110]

“O you people! Adore your Guardian lord, who created you and those who came before you that you may become righteous.”

[Noble Quran 2:21]

“You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to well therein (forever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.”

[Noble Quran 58:22]

New Testament of BIBLE

“Why do you call me good? answered Jesus, No-one is good but God alone!”

[Mark 10:18]

“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but rather to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen; will by any means disappear from the Law until all things are accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever keeps the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.”

[Matthew 5:17-19]

“Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”

[Matthew 7:21-23]

Some leaders claimed, “This probably refers to the Mormons or somebody else. Don’t worry about it.”

“Gabriel says Jesus will be “called the son of God” and he would be “given the Throne of David” to “rule the House of Jacob forever.””

[Luke 1:35]

“Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and Adam was the son of God.”

[Luke 3:38]

Note: Adam, not Jesus, is listed in this genealogy of Jesus as the son of God, not Jesus.

Later on, the priests are asking Jesus (peace be upon him) if he claims to be the son of God. He tells them in fact, it is they who are making this claim.

“You say that I am.”

Gospel of John contains the greatest number of references to “son of God”

Jesus, speaking in the third person talked about the “Son of God” in [John 3:17 – John 5:24 – John 11:4 – John 11:27]

Martha, one of the followers, calls Jesus, peace be upon him, “The Messiah, the Son of God”

“The Messiah, the Son of God.”

[John 20:31]

But no verse makes the exact statement “Jesus is the Son of God and as such he is divine or God.”

QURAN

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.”

[Noble Quran 4:171]

Notice in the Bible, the frequent link between the position of Jesus, peace be upon him, as the Messiah and the ‘son-ship.’

The term ‘son of god’ can not, in itself, be considered enough to declare anything unique about Jesus, peace be upon him, as this term is used for many people throughout the Old and the New Testament.

See above:

[Luke 3:38]

Also, in

[Isaiah 63:8]

refers to the entire house of Israel as being, ‘Sons of God’.

Paul tells us about those who are led by the spirit:

“because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.”

[Romans 8:14]

The word “Messiah” is one that more particularly seems to represent the station of the person predicted to appear and lead the people to the victory over this world.

Oxford Companion of the Bible states Jews prior to Jesus (peace be upon him) hoped for a prophesied ruler, reigning with everlasting justice, peace and security for the “Sons of Israel.”

BIBLE

“A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. The spirit of the Lord will be on him – the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of Knowledge and of the fear of the Lord – and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.”

[Isaiah 11:1-2]

“The days are coming, declares the Lord, When I will fulfill the gracious promise I made to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David’s line; he will do what is just and right in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness. For this is what the Lord says: David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offering and to present sacrifices.”

[Jeremiah 33:14-18]

“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. The will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. I will make a covenant of peace with them, it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.”

[Ezekiel 37:24-28]

“The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the rules staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his.”

[Genesis 49:10]

“I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. Edom will be conquered; Seir, his enemy, will conquer, but Israel will grow strong. A ruler will come out of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city.”

[Numbers 24:17-19]

God Incarnate? NOT HERE

BIBLE

Nathan the prophet (son of Solomon) said:

“The Lord declares to you that the Lord Himself will establish a house for you: When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father and he will be my son.”

(New Testament book of Hebrews stops here)

Samuel continues:

“When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you.”

[2 Samuel 7:12-15]

“You are my Son; today I have begotten you.”

[Hebrews 1:5]

Does this support the case the doctrine that Jesus, peace be upon him, is the “begotten Son of God?”

Old Testament BIBLE

David is stating what God has proclaimed regarding David’s relationship to God

“I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: he said to me, you are my Son; this day have I begotten you.”

[Psalms 2:7]

Note: The New International Version says the verse could be translated either as “become your Father” or as “begotten you” into English or Greek.

New Testament BIBLE

“He will be called the Son of God.”

[Luke 1:35]

Note: This does not state he “is” the son, but rather, he will be “called” the son of God.

Or was he the “one anointed to preach Good News to the poor.” prophesied by Isaiah, and the Messiah proclaimed by Gabriel, the followers of Jesus, peace be upon him, Jesus, himself and the remained of the New Testament, he evidently would not be God.

New Testament BIBLE

“I tell you the truth”, Jesus answered, “before Abraham was, I am!”

[John 8:58]

“I am” is the term used to identify God to Moses, peace be upon him.

New Testament BIBLE

“For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

[John 3:16]

This does not actually define Jesus, peace be upon him, as God, or as the Messiah or as a Prophet.

Note: This verse was actually modified by Jerome in the 4th century.

ARIUS (Early history of the Church) a popular leader from Alexandria, Egypt.
He argued, Jesus (peace be upon him) was created and not ‘begotten.’
He was charged with heresy and his followers were horribly oppressed by the Church.

After the matter was ‘decided’ and ‘confirmed’ by the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. and in an effort to consolidate both beliefs, Jerome altered the original version of the Gospel of John 3:16 by changing the word ‘monogenes’ (unique) and substituted the word ‘ingenious’ meaning ‘only begotten.’

What other ‘interpretations’ did the early Church Fathers invent to satisfy their claims of the divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him?

Good question.

New Testament BIBLE

“But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles that you may learn and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

[John 10:38]

“Don’t you know that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? The words that I say to you are not my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me who is doing this work.”

[John 14:10]

But further reading in the very same chapter:

“On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.”

[John 14:20]

So how does he live in his disciples and how do they live in him? And if so, are they also, sons of God or Gods?

Another good question.

“But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him. Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.”

[1st John 2:5-6]

(This is an epistle [letter] written by another ‘John,’ not John the Gospel er nor John the Baptist)

Note: This indicates, living ‘in God’ means, ‘Obeying God’ commandments and following the Way of Jesus, peace be upon him.

Twice in the New Testament, Jesus (peace be upon him) tells his followers how to pray saying, “When you pray, say this…”
And the words are very clear, God’s Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

BIBLE

“I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one; I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”

[John 17:22-23]

The word used throughout chapter 10 and 17, for unity or one was the same, ‘heis’ meaning the number one. There is another word ‘hen’ which means a unity of essence. However, ‘hen’ is nowhere to be found in these chapters.

Note: Conclusion is this is a prayer from Jesus, peace be upon him, to God that all of his followers would have the same relationship that he (Jesus) had.

Understanding the word ‘one’ meanings understanding the way in which it is being used. For example a man and a woman become ‘one’ when they marry; someone might say, ‘One hopes for success’ or ‘We are one in agreement.’

Jesus, peace be upon him, is supposed to have said,
“If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”
In the very part of the Bible we find the verse wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) tells his followers, if they accepted a little child, then they also accepted Jesus, peace be upon him. Naturally, he did not mean the child was God or that he was a child.

Christians are taught early in life, by doing good deeds and service for others, they are in fact allowing others to see Jesus in them.

Why do we hold so tight to doctrines, even after realizing the incorrectness and false teachings?

Yet another good question

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus, peace be upon him, is a man, born of a woman without any father, strengthened by a Spirit from God (Gabriel), sent by God to teach the Children of Israel the true meaning of belief and proper actions (following the commandments) that God would accept from them and as such, their ‘road to salvation.’

One more time:

BIBLE

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God at the beginning.”

[John 1:1]

Jesus (peace be upon him) was the very “Word of God”.

QURAN

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘trinity’: desist.”

[Noble Quran 4:171]

It is difficult for us to admit that we have been deceived for so many years by some many people, some of them very near and dear to us. The truth is, ‘Someone has been lying to us’ – on purpose.

It is also difficult to consider the consequences of loosing faith in the doctrine of the Church, out of fear of loosing faith in God altogether.

But there is wonderful hope, Grace, Mercy and Salvation for those who come to the correct belief and obey the commandments.

Wisdom or Word?

Oxford Companion to the Bible

The words “wisdom” and ‘word’ were synonymous (exactly the same words) in Jewish thought at the time of Jesus.

Old Testament BIBLE

“The lord brought me forth at the beginning of his work before his deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at his side.”

[Proverbs 8:22-30]

“By Wisdom the Lord laid the earth’s foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop the dew.”

[Proverbs 3:19]

APOCRYPHA (hidden books of the Bible)

Wisdom I and Wisdom II

Sirach (also called: “Ecclesiasticus”) written by Jesus ben Sira, a devout Jew of Jerusalem, 200 years before Christ.
These texts were a part of the Bible until the time of the Calvinists and the Protestant Reformation (hence the word – protest).

Scrolls found at Wadi Qumran and Masada confirm these were always a part of the ancient version of the Bible, but obviously not something Protestants wanted anything to do with.

Wisdom states:

“Wisdom praises herself, and tells of her glory in the midst of her people. In the assembly of the Most High she opens her mouth, and in the presence of his hosts she tells of her glory: ‘I came forth from the mouth of the Most High and covered the earth like a mist. I dwelt in the highest heavens, and my throne was in a pillar of a cloud. Alone I compassed the vault of heaven and traversed the depths of the abyss. Over waves of the sea, over all the earth, and over every people and nation I have held sway. Among all these I sought a resting place; in whose territory should I abide? Then the Creator of all things gave me a command, and my Creator chose the place for my tent. He said, ‘Make your dwelling in Jacob, and in Israel, receive your inheritance.’ Before the ages, in the beginning he created me, and for all the ages I shall not cease to be. In the holy tent I ministered before him, and so I was established in Zion. Thus in the beloved city he gave me a resting place, and in Jerusalem was my domain. I took root in an honored people, in the portion of the Lord his heritage.”

[Sirach 24:1-12]

“For she is a breath of the power of God, and a pure emanation of the glory of the Almighty; therefore nothing evil gains entrance into her. For she is a reflection of eternal light, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of His goodness. Although she is but one, she can do all things, and while remaining in herself, she renews all things; in every generation she passes into holy souls and makes them friends of God, and prophets.”

[Wisdom of Solomon 7:25-27]

Did the beginning of the Gospel of John indicate John believed the Spirit was sent by God to Jesus (peace be upon him) that it was the Spirit of Wisdom, Spirit of Prophecy, sent to all the prophets, with the same commandments and wisdom?

Could the Spirit of Wisdom be with God since creation? Or perhaps the Spirit was the ‘Word of God’ that was uttered or breathed by God in the Beginning and then continued along with God in the rest of Creation?

BIBLE APOCRAPHA

“For wisdom, the Fashioner of all things, taught me.”

[Wisdom of Solomon 7:22]

Could the Spirit of Wisdom be the Holy Spirit that spoke to Mary about having her baby? And the same Holy Spirit that descending upon him at this baptism?

BIBLE

“Then John gave this testimony: ‘I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit’”

[John 1:32]

All of this confirms without doubt the writers of the Old Testament and the New Testament were definitely on the lookout for a “Messiah” or “chosen leader of the way to salvation in this life and the next life.”

The word in Hebrew for the ‘chosen one’ or ‘anointed one’ or ‘appointed one’ is ‘Messiah.’
The word in Koine Greek for ‘Messiah’ is ‘Christos’ (became ‘Christ’).
The word in Arabic for it is “Massih”

Did Jesus, peace be upon him, ask people to pray to him, or to pray with him, to the God who sent him?

Did Jesus, peace be upon him, claim to be God?

Can the term “son of God” in English really present the meaning intended by the writers of the Bible?

Now let us compare with compassion and wisdom in our hearts. Which of the two concepts make the most sense between Islam and Christianity when it comes to the subject of Jesus, peace be upon him?

Let us compare the two and see what our wisdom and common sense tell us:

According to the teachings of Islam in the Quran and the words of the last prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, Jesus, the son of Mary, was predicted, he came to earth as a baby with a mother but no father, he did amazing miracles by the permission of Allah, including even bringing a dead man back to life; he did demonstrate for his followers the very best of behavior and obedience to the commandments of God. And according to the Bible he personally prayed and ask God Almighty to save him from the fate of going to the cross.

The Bible indicates Jesus prayers at Gethsemane went unanswered, even though he stayed up through the night crying and asking God, “Let this cup pass from me, even so, Your will be done.”

Yet, according to Quran, Almighty God did answer his prayers. He did not go to the cross, but rather the likeness of him was put on another person who did go to the cross and Almighty God, caused Jesus, peace be upon him, to be saved, protected and he is with God and will return in the Last Days to lead the true believers to victory over the evil ones.

Some have even speculated the one on the cross was the very one (Judas Thomas Iscariot) who sold out Jesus and his followers for thirty pieces of sliver.
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..worship only one almighty god without any partners..

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Just couple more points noted in Scripture that the LORD just reminded me of:

This particular verse identifies the Trinity:
Isaiah 48:16 ““Come near to Me, hear this:I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
Have sent Me.”

This verse speaks specifically of God being our Redeemer (there are several such verses) :
Isaiah 49:26 “I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh,And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine.
All flesh shall know
That I, the LORD, am your Savior,
And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

This chapter speaks of the Messiah as the suffering Servant who took on our sins, which is what Christ did on the cross:
Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report? ​​And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 ​​For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. ​​He has no form or comeliness;​​And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 ​​He is despised and rejected by men, ​​A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; ​​He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 ​​Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows;​​Yet we esteemed Him stricken, ​​Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 ​​But He was wounded for our transgressions, ​​He was bruised for our iniquities; ​​The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, ​​And by His stripes we are healed.
6 ​​All we like sheep have gone astray; ​​We have turned, every one, to his own way; ​​And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 ​​He was oppressed and He was afflicted, ​​Yet He opened not His mouth; ​​He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, ​​And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, ​​So He opened not His mouth.
8 ​​He was taken from prison and from judgment, ​​And who will declare His generation? ​​For He was cut off from the land of the living; ​​For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 ​​And they made His grave with the wicked— ​​But with the rich at His death, ​​Because He had done no violence, ​​Nor was any deceit in His mouth.​
10 ​​Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; ​​He has put Him to grief. ​​When You make His soul an offering for sin, ​​He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, ​​And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 ​​He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. ​​By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,​​For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 ​​Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, ​​And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, ​​Because He poured out His soul unto death, ​​And He was numbered with the transgressors, ​​And He bore the sin of many, ​​And made intercession for the transgressors.

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

If a muslim is moving his pie hole, he’s lying.
The accurate picture of the religion human predators love:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications National Counterterrorist Center 2008 Report.
-“Deaths by Perpetrator Category” [page 22]: Muslims 8,284; Christian 932.

-The top 15 nations where deaths occurred due to terrorism showed one common element: Muslims. [page 24]

-13 of the top 15 nations experiencing the highest number of terrorist kidnappings had on common element: Muslims. [page 27]

2011 FBI Annual Report on Terrorism, http://www.nctc.gov/docs/2011_NCTC_Annual_Report_Final.pdf,
page 11: Of 12,533 total deaths in terrorist attacks 77 were attributed to Neo-Nazis, fascists or white supremacists; 8,886 were attributed to Muslim terrorists.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/@@wanted-group-listing FBI Most Wanted Terrorists: 30 of the 32 most wanted terrorists are Muslims

wikipedia has a list of 144 terrorist organizations officially designated as terrorist by various Nations. 124 of them are motivated by religion – 75% of those are Muslim.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm The State Department has a list of 56 officially designated terrorist organizations: 43 of them are Muslim, one is Christian, the rest are non-religious in their purpose.

http://www.nctc.gov/site/profiles/m-z.html The National Counter Terrorism Center Counterterrorism Calendar 2014: “The terrorists
listed below are under indictment for multiple attacks against US persons and interests, for aiding terrorist activities, or are wanted for questioning in regard to terrorist attacks”

“The US Government, through the State Department’s Rewards for Justice program, is offering substantial rewards for information leading to the arrest of the people listed to the right.”
There are over 190 names of these human predators roaming the earth — 95% of them have muslim names.

Google search “civil wars in the world” and determine who the combatants are. The results show that Muslims are involved in
75% to nearly 90% of them, depending on the study. Muslims fight against all religions and cultures, worldwide.

If you aren’t on one of those lists, “jack,” you should be. You never, ever condemn muslims for their terrorism. Would you mind if I submitted your name?

tessaprn
tessaprn
8 years ago

This whatever he believes himself to be needs to go fornicate himself and find a new home if he refuses to jump into our melting pot!

Theodorick C
Theodorick C
8 years ago

The vile “Prophet” Muhammad’s Shariamonster, also known as “Islam,” wants to decapitate our freedom of speech.

Say “NO” To Muhammad’s Shariamonster, and say “NO” to Islam!
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https://drawthevileprophet.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/say-no-to-muhammad-s-shariamonster/

0349 JAT
0349 JAT
8 years ago

We can have freedom of speech ,but it has to be freedom of speech that the muslims allow us to have. They want to set limits to our freedom of speech.

Dianne Johnson
Dianne Johnson
8 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

That ain’t going to happen in my house!!!

gramm rene
gramm rene
8 years ago

Well how about they follow the laws that condemn murder? Particularly jihads against Christians. Or would that be a conflict of interest?

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  gramm rene

It’s not murder when a Mohammedan kills a kafir. Allah wants that. And “Allah knows best”

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Hi Jim Fox,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

United Arab Emirates. As the numbers of foreigners have increased, so have the stories of them violating the UAE’s strict indecency code which limits drinking to bars and nightclubs and bans public displays of affection.

Yes, I can see that. Who are these western ‘useful idiots for Islam’ and how much are they paid for this shameless propaganda?
What ever, this is also cherry-picking at its best- do tell me how progressive are ALL the other Islamic countries?
It is well known that UAE is the least ‘Islamic’ of all such places and in fact its policies contradict the Noble Koran in many, many ways.
So I am unimpressed by this piece of kitman, no matter which ‘reputable’ organisation produced it.
Let us see how Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, etc, etc rate on this bogus scale of ‘freedoms’

james
james
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Hi Jim Fox,

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

A lot of Priest, Preachers and Catholic Bishop enter Islam,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam – Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest –
all entering Islam

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless:
and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  james

Muslim troll- IGNORE

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  james

“Most muslims are circumcise.”
Including Muslim WOMEN…

“Most muslims are not drunk.”
Until they get to jannah…

“Most muslims are not eat pork.”

Just like the JEWS they are told to hate…

Muslim converts?

There are idiots in every religion… in fact it is a requirement for membership!

“God is not a man…”

ALL ‘gods’ are man- made…

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Tragically the women’s clitoris cut OFF. You make it sound like something a man goes through and recovers. For women this is a barbaric procedure. They also sew up the labia and nearly completely seal off her vagina. This is the most vulgar and disgusting thing. Why do you think they call it Female Genital MUTILATION?

Check out the videos: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FGM

Islam is brutal and all about hate and death. There is no hope. Even when a muslim dies he/she is never assured about salvation.

Jim, there is One God who created the heavens and the earth. The rest of the god are indeed made up. God does exist and He is the God of Israel.

God came to earth in human form to pay for our sins. This is why He came through a virgin and is not a common man such as yourself with an earthly father and mother. Jesus Christ is God incarnate. He came to pay the price for our sins.

“For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believes on Him shall not perish but have life everlasting. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved” John 3:16-17

This was the only way that there may be a perfect sacrifice. And because only God is perfect, He made Himself to be that perfect sacrifice.

“For Him who knew no sin He made to be sin on our behalf; so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” 2 Corinthians 5:21

God became flesh and dwelt amongst us. The Judeo-Christian God is a God of love, of life, of a future and a hope. The god of islam is the polar opposite. Read the whole Bible. Just start with Genesis in the Tanakh (Christian Old Testament) and then read the first four books of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Lear for yourself who God and Jesus Christ truly are. I pray that you will open your heart to hear what God wants to say to you. He loves you Jim and He has a message for you. That message is “Come, repent, and receive Me as LORD and Savior” He died for you Jim. He loves you. You will see Him one day face-to-face. Will you have all your sins with you or will your sins have been paid for by the LORD God Jesus Christ? It is your choice. We all have choices. Mine is Jesus Christ.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

I’m fully aware of FMG as the primitive barbaric superstition that it is.
The practice varies in severity but it is all misogynistic…

However, I will disagree with you- ALL religions are superstitious nonsense and ALL have at some point been savage and cruel, including yours. So no more proselytising, please- it falls on deaf [rationalist] ears…

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

If you study the Judeo-Christian Bible, which BTW is over 25% prophetic, you will learn that not only thousands of archaeological finds back it up, but that the history of surrounding countries in addition to about half of the prophecies have come to pass with 100% accuracy. The God of creation is as much as myth as your reading this. He is fully reality. Check out the Dead Sea Scrolls which were discovered in 1943. They date back to around 300 BC and are proof that the Bible we have today matches the Scriptures that were at that time. That’s 2300 years of the same Scriptures before the time of Christ. You are tragically mistaken. I pray you will, if for nothing else, check out the Scriptures for their historical truths. But in truth I pray you will come to know Jesus Christ. Do not judge God by man’s efforts. We have sinful desires. God however is pure and perfect and love you. There have been several atheist who have tried to prove God does not exist and that Christ never came. Surely you have heard of C.S. Lewis? Yes, he was one. There are many very intelligent people who have set out to prove Him false, but in reality had to admit He is very real. One wrote a short book with many facts you may want to check. Do it just to prove me wrong, ok? The author is Lee Stroble

http://smile.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation/dp/0310339308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432596548&sr=8-1&keywords=lee+strobel

It’s only $6.99 on kindle. It’s not very long and is full of facts from investigations. You could have it read before bedtime.

I am praying for you Jim. Prove me wrong on this. Your eternal destiny is important. Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life and no one comes to the Father except through Him.

You do not have to give the church everything you own, you do not have to bow down 5x a day, you do not have to say so many ‘hail marys’s. His gift is free and open to anyone who will call on His name in truth.

We all sin and all need a Savior, because without one we will never make it heaven on our own.

We need to admit our sins, believe He is God and ask Him to be our Lord. All who call on His name will cleansed from their sins, and who doesn’t need THAT! He will make you a new creation in Him and there will be no condemnation.

Praying that you will find new life in Christ, Jim. He knows your name.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Don’t understand “Deaf ears”? If you prefer, rational, educated, non-indoctrinated ears. Study the bible? I’d learn more studying Dr Seuss.
And by the way, stick your brain-dead proselytising where the sun don’t shine.

jacks
jacks
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Hi Jim Fox,

What about female circumcision?

Female circumcision is allowed in Islam and is an even less extensive procedure as compared to male circumcision, because it involves just a small trimming of the clitoral hood (which looks like a rooster’s comb), which is the prepuce or “foreskin” of the clitoris (15) (17). (This procedure is not to be confused with female genital mutilation or FGM, which is a totally different procedure involving the removal of the clitoris or altering of the genitalia and is NOT an approved practice in Islam). Recovery is even quicker and there are hardly any short term or long term complications. The benefits with references to medical sources (12) may include improved hygiene, reduced UTI incidences and lower infections of the reproductive systems. It will be interesting to know that in Malaysia, where female circumcision is performed extensively by the Malay-Muslim community, the incidence of cervical cancer in Malay women is lowest amongst the 3 major race groups (Indians, Chinese and Malays).
(18)(19) Another study shows that Malay women are at lower risk of orgasmic sexual dysfunction as compared to non-Malays. (20)
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..

jacks
jacks
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

Female circumcision is allowed in Islam and is an even less extensive procedure as compared to male circumcision, because it involves just a small trimming of the clitoral hood (which looks like a rooster’s comb), which is the prepuce or “foreskin” of the clitoris (15) (17). (This procedure is not to be confused with female genital mutilation or FGM, which is a totally different procedure involving the removal of the clitoris or altering of the genitalia and is NOT an approved practice in Islam). Recovery is even quicker and there are hardly any short term or long term complications. The benefits with references to medical sources (12) may include improved hygiene, reduced UTI incidences and lower infections of the reproductive systems. It will be interesting to know that in Malaysia, where female circumcision is performed extensively by the Malay-Muslim community, the incidence of cervical cancer in Malay women is lowest amongst the 3 major race groups (Indians, Chinese and Malays).
(18)(19) Another study shows that Malay women are at lower risk of orgasmic sexual dysfunction as compared to non-Malays. (20)

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jacks

Jacks, thanks for the response however, I disagree and believe it is totally unnecessary. Good hygiene practices for both men and women will keep UTI away. If FGM is not approved in Islam then why is it done? It is so barbaric. No other society, at least none that I am aware of does this except Islam. Millions of women suffer extensively. I pray for those in that faith, that they would take a sincere look at Jesus Christ and ask Him to come into their lives to free them. They have no idea the freedom in Christ, to know that their sins are paid for and that they are made right with God because of His sacrifice. May He come quickly.

jacks
jacks
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

FGM is the removal of the clitoris or altering of the genitalia and is NOT an approved practice in Islam.
Jesus also circumsice :m

Bible Luke 2:21 Jesus Presented at the Temple 21And when eight days had passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.

Female circumcision is allowed in Islam and is an even less extensive procedure because
it involves just a small trimming of the clitoral hood. and the recovery is even quicker and there are hardly any short term or long term complications.

Ask any of the over 1.5 billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they are suffer.

So, Jesus died physically on the cross, as was plain for all to see (John 19:34). But there is
also the matter of spiritual death. When Jesus was hanging on the cross, He experienced death on our behalf. Even though He is God, He still had to suffer the agony of a temporary separation from the Father due to the sin He bore. After three hours of supernatural darkness, Jesus cried, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”(Mark 15:34). So, could it be said that Jesus also “died”
spiritually? Again, it was only His human nature that was separated from God, not His divine nature. God did not “die.”…It is proven there is no salvation…

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jacks

Jacks,
Jesus was circumcised according the the Jewish custom prescribed by the LORD to Abraham. Jesus the Messiah is of the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God did not say to touch the female in any way.

I know what FGM is and Islam does do it. Of course they say is it not approved, but like everything else, they are free to lie. Just like beating your wife is not “approved” unless you use a feather, as though that is believable. They are free to “plow their field” (rape) their wife/wives. It’s in their book.

Do not equate a male circumcision with that of a female who often endures the removal of her clitoris. This is so women will not be able to enjoy sex.

You ask the little girls who suffer from having their clitoris cut off and the labia sewn together because the are considered property. This is because they are told no man will leave his ‘door’ open, or leave his ‘meat’ out in the open for others to come use. So the woman is sew up and suffer miserably. If you don’t believe, just search youtube.

Put in FGM and you’ll have enough to change your mind. Here is one of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0NuCMKaRpY

Here is an article if you prefer to read. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/islamic-state-orders-female-genital-mutilation-for-all-women-ages-11-46-in-mosulf

No amount of words will ever convince me this is not of Islam. Look up Fatwa 60314 which opens the door to abuse.

jacks
jacks
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

Why Women Should Favor Circumcision: To Prevent HPV Infection
Study shows it protects men from getting infected with sexually transmitted diseases like HPV, herpes

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/on-women/2009/03/26/why-women-should-favor-circumcision-to-prevent-hpv-infection

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  jacks

Study shows there is no guarantee. You go get your circumcision (If you do not have one) and go have sex with someone with HPV and herpes and then come back and tell me how you fared.

Abstinence is best until marriage and a dedicated monogamous marriages is best. That is why the LORD would have us live this way. His way is the best way.

jacks
jacks
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hi Grace,

The medical benefits of female circumcise are :

It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath
the prepuce.
It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections
It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.
In the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, which was published by the World Health Organization in 1979 it says:
With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted.

Impact of circumcisions studied

CHAPS, the Center for HIV and AIDS Prevention Studies, which manages the clinics, continues to study the impact of circumcisions.

CEO Dirk Taljaard said new data suggests circumcision benefits women, too.

“We saw a protective effect for women. If you had women in the community that have only had circumcised partners, the risk was reduced already by 20 percent for 15- to 25-years-old women,” Taljaard said.

Some studies estimate that, in South Africa, for every four circumcisions, one HIV infection is avoided. Since 2007, more than 1.5 million circumcisions have been performed in the country, suggesting close to 400,000 new infections may have been avoided.
http://www.voanews.com/content/south-africa-sees-male-circumcision-as-way-to-reduce-hiv-infections/2538279.html

http://www.cogwriter.com/news/doctrine/cdc-finally-supports-circumcision-health-benefits-of-circumcision/

♠ Medical research has found that a high percentage of women who have had genital surgery “have rich sexual lives, including desire, arousal, orgasm, and satisfaction, and their frequency of sexual activity is not reduced.”
♠ Reproductive health and medical complications linked to female genital surgery happen
infrequently.
♠ Those who value female genital surgery view it as aesthetic enhancement, not mutilation.
♠ In almost all societies where female genital surgery is performed, male genital surgery also takes place. Broadly speaking, then, such societies “are not singling out females as targets of punishment, sexual deprivation, or humiliation.”
♠ The link between patriarchy and female genital surgery is unfounded. Almost no patriarchal societies adhere to the practice and, at the same time, the practice is not customary in the world’s most sexually restrictive societies.

There are studies that claim female circumcision lowers HIV and STD risk

Kanki et al. reported that, in Senegalese prostitutes, women who had undergone Female Circumcision had a significantly decreased risk of HIV-2 infection when compared to those who had not. Kanki P, M’Boup S, Marlink R, et al. “Prevalence and risk determinants of human
immunodeficiency virus type 2 (HIV-2) and human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) in west African female prostitutes Am. J. Epidemiol. 136 (7): 895-907. PMID

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..worship only the almighty god without any partners..

Dianne Johnson
Dianne Johnson
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

I am with Grace on FGM!! Jim, if you are so crazy about circumcision, I would be happy to do that for you. Only I would do the way you do it to WOMEN and take that sucker completely off. What’s good for one is good for all!! Any objections????

burt
burt
8 years ago
Reply to  gramm rene

Allah always makes excuses for Mohammed. Makes you wonder who is in charge, Allah or Mohammed?

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  burt

Hi burt,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

Tatonka
Tatonka
8 years ago

Typical muslim logic.
My way or the highway……….to the morque.

shitonislam
shitonislam
8 years ago

the medieval monkeys preach conquest and occupation, that is not spirituality, old goat herder needs to go to the dessert count the grains of sand and get spiritual in the proccess

Betty4440
Betty4440
8 years ago
Reply to  shitonislam

every muslim man would become an imam then. so he couldn’t be talked about. make sense right. higher religious persons. then they can come up with it does not apply to muslims because the live under the sharia not man made laws. you get the picture where this will go don’t you?

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  shitonislam

Hi shitoislam,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

tjp
tjp
8 years ago

He’s confusing “spiritually high” with “brain washed”.

Barry Drey
Barry Drey
8 years ago
Reply to  tjp

Sure you don’t mean Brain Dead……

Mike Hoffmann
Mike Hoffmann
8 years ago
Reply to  Barry Drey

Exactly that’s what he is:Brain Dead!

Jay Adams
Jay Adams
8 years ago

Cowards cower when good speaks out against evil. All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men shut up.

Dianne Johnson
Dianne Johnson
8 years ago
Reply to  Jay Adams

Agreed!!

Dave B in AZ
Dave B in AZ
8 years ago

The deadly cult of Muhammad-the-anti-christ has earned our respect how exactly? They just piss me off with their ignorance and hostility against freedom.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Dave B in AZ

Hi Dave B in AZ,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

graigtalk
graigtalk
8 years ago

Jihadists are famous for using Taqiyya and Kitman to further their agenda. They have a 14 century history of doing so. During that 14 centuries, they raped, and murdered their way through history, resulting in 270 million plus deaths. They have destroyed entire civilizations. No, give them no quarter.

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago
Reply to  graigtalk

I’ve read an article that suggested the Spanish Inquisition was a response to muslim-nazis who lied about abandoning islam, yet continued to practice it, sedition and treason against Spain.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  defcon 4

There was some of that; a lot of it was directed at Jews who converted and at Protestants.

The real part Islam played in the Inquisition is that its eight-hundred-years in Spain warped its Christians’ theology.

Where else would an otherwise Christian nation get the idea to use the force of the state in matters of faith?

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  graigtalk

Hi graigtalk,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

graigtalk
graigtalk
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

Of course there are peaceful Muslims. You have not addressed the facts I presented about the 14th century of death and destruction, by those who radically adhere to Islam. What god would you have me to worship?

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

What a bunch of BS. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech don’t exist the in UAE. You criticise pi$$lam in the UAE, you’re going to be going to prison or be murdered. How many Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, Sikh temples or synagogues exist in the UAE? None.

Mohammed Schicklgruber
Mohammed Schicklgruber
8 years ago

Know your place kuffars!

You must show reverence and respect to an assassin, barbarian, bigamist, bandit, butcher, charlatan, conman, corrupter, deceiver, extortionist, gangster, gigolo, impostor, lecher, liar, megalomaniac, misogynist, murderer, oppressor, parasite, pedophile, plagiarizer, predator, psychopath, racketeer, rapist, sadist, slaver, terrorist, torturer, thug and general all-round scumbag.

Allah Akhbar!!
Islam will Dominate!!!

Gary Rumain
Gary Rumain
8 years ago

G’day, mate, haven’t seen you around in a while. How are things at Schloss Mahound?

No Fear
No Fear
8 years ago

You omitted “pimp”. Mohammed’s sock puppet promises a brothel in paradise for the henchmen who die for “the cause”.

Louise Mitchell
Louise Mitchell
8 years ago

Aleeeeeeeeclarkbar, bring on the chocolate, lead

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

Are you talking about obama or muhammad? 😉

Helena Beck
Helena Beck
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

bwaaahha both I presume

Lance Mauer
Lance Mauer
8 years ago

I love bacon and so should you. Allie arkbars! or whatever…

jack
jack
8 years ago

Bible abuse women :

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill
everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,”
they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a
virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free
in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was
single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

No Fear
No Fear
8 years ago

DAMN RIGHT! There needs to be a change to a book which calls for me and my family to be burned in a fire. A book which wants me to burn simply because I choose to not obey it’s author Mohammed.

The Quran is a tirade of hatespeech against non-muslims. Mohammed was such a vile man that he was not content for his henchmen to kill non-muslims and take their “booty” (see Sura 8), Mohammed wanted to torment non-muslims forever in the “hereafter”. Vile supremacist pig.

Ban the Quran.The Quran is a centre of pestilence and hate.

Barry Drey
Barry Drey
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

And they use this twisted bull shit to condem us.Time to put the rapid aminals down like the mad dogs they are…..

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Barry Drey

Hi Barry,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

Barry Drey
Barry Drey
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

This sounds like more B.S. from the White House Press Office I

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Barry Drey

Hi Barry Drey,

97% feel safe in UAE

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/97-feel-safe-in-uae

Actually, my non muslim friend (a Christian) was working at UAE for 3 years as a
Construction Manager. He meet me and inform UAE is very safe country, If
somebody try to touch a women without her permission or somebody try to tackle
her which she don’t like…she may call police thru phone and the policeman
will arrest the man without any further question..

Once,he left his expensive handphone at the food court, the next day he came back to
the same location and he got back his handphone. No body dare to theft…

UAE is a nice country and muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in
peace.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…Worship only one Almighty God without
any partners…

e1313ruth
e1313ruth
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

The koran is the roll-book THAT is a CURSE and it goes over the earth in Zech 5-1 and 3…Isaiah 24-6 shows the cursed earth that is made desolate…The koran is the abomination that makes men desolate of Matthew 24-14,15… Which also says when koran is preached in the whole earth it will be the end…

Daniel Diamond
Daniel Diamond
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

Ban the Quran.Here is the precedent.

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tcqp/index.htm

The book is still divided into two sections.(whole book on line -required reading for all Americans on hate speech /free speech arguments.

Mike Hoffmann
Mike Hoffmann
8 years ago
Reply to  Daniel Diamond

Nice idea, but that won’t help. It’s in their mind.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Daniel Diamond

Hi Daniel,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

This fool muslim cites the UAE, population 9 million, as an illustration how fairly muslim men treat women. He’s lying through his muslim teeth:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/H… The UN’s Gender Empowerment Measure ranks nations by women’s equality: Muslim nations rank at the bottom.

It’s getting harder to lie, isn’t it, Muslim? We have the Internet where we’re learning the truth about your vile religion with facts like this:

-http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ The United Nation’s Human Development Index ranks nations by life expectancy, literacy, education and GDP per capita. The top 50 encompass 700 million in Judao-Christian nations; Muslim nations encompass 5 million people (out of 1.5 billion people).

We don’t want you anywhere near us.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Thomas Jefferson observed regarding religious liberty that if his neighbor worships one, many, or no gods, it neither picks his pocket nor breaks his leg.

The problem with Islam is that it will not only pick your pocket and break your leg, it will separate your head from your body and rape and enslave your women and children.

It is absurd to think that the Framers intended to protect “kill the pagans wherever you find them” (Qur’an 9:5) — genocide, rape, and slavery in Allah’s name.

Jihad is not Constitutionally protected religious expression.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

So, Jim, you’re posting this lie everywhere.

A poster rebuts your claim: “The United Arab Emirates ranks number one in the world for treating women with respect” Actually the report ranked the UAE number one in the Middle East and 37th worldwide. In that context, the ranking makes more sense.

Even if it were true that the UAE is so magnanimous, unless they’re trying to deceive non-Muslims, they’re violating Muhammad’s mandates:

“[…] good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them […]” (Qur’an 4:34).

“Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (Qur’an 2:223).

“Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to
have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460).

“Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess […]” (Qur’an 4:24).

‘Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained
to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women” (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715).

Is that enough, or do you want more?

james
james
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

AlQuran protect and appreciate woman :

“And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women.” [Noble Quran 2:228]

“O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit
women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them – except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good.” [Noble Quran 4:19]

Bible support terrorism and suicide killing of 3000 lives :

There are more than 200 words of Sword in Bible and none in AlQuran.

34″Do not think that I came to bring peace on
the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35″For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;… Matthew 10:34

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)

“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.
But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

Now the house was full of … about three thousand men and women … And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God .. strengthen me … that I may be
at once avenged of the Philistines for my two
eyes … and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life. Judges 16:27-30

Women Abused In Bible :

Women Shall Not Speak

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Women’s Sorrow

“Unto
the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy
conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire
shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis
3:16)

Comment

Not only does the Woman get blamed for
the Fall, but God decides to multiply her sorrow, plus, she must
submit to her husband like a slave.

Rip Up Pregnant
Women

“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”
(Hosea 13:16)

“Give me any plague, but the plague of the
heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.” (Eccles.
25:13)

Women in the Bible are considered evil

“Of the
woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.”
(Eccles. 25:22)

Wives, Submit Yourselves!

“Wives,
submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the
husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the
church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is
subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in
everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

Wife Like Slaves ?

Stone
The Woman!

“If a man be found lying with a woman married to
an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;”
(Deuteronomy 22:22)

“Then ye shall bring them both out unto
the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they
die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the
man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt
put away evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)

Silence
The Woman!

“Let the women learn in silence with all
subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority
over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then
Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in
the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Cut Off Her
Hand!

“When men strive together one with another, and the
wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the
hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh
him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall
not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Female Births Get
Penalty

“Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a
woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be
unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her
infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus 12:2)

“But if
she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her
separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying
threescore and six days.” (Leviticus 12:5)

Raping And
Killing

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through;
and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their
children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their
houses shall be spoiled, and their wives
ravished.” (Isaiah
13:15-16)

Birth of Woman Is A Loss

The Catholic Bible
states explicitly that:

” The birth of a daughter is a
loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

Woman Unclean for two weeks
for giving birth to a female child as compared to seven days of a
male child

“…If a woman have conceived seed, and born a
man child: then she shall be unclean seven days…but if she bear a
maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks…” (Leviticus
12:2-5)

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…Worship only
one Almighty God without partners…follow the Greatest
Commandment..

Hi Lato
Sensu,

Bible support terrorism and suicide killing of 3000
lives :

There are more than 200 words of Sword in Bible and
none in AlQuran.

34″Do not think that I came to bring
peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35″For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER
AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A
DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER
MOTHER-IN-LAW;… Matthew 10:34

Now therefore, kill every male
among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man
intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately,
spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)

“I tell you that
to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does
not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these
enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them
here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

Now the
house was full of … about three thousand men and women … And
Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God .. strengthen me
… that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes
… and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that
were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than
they which he slew in his life. Judges 16:27-30

Women Abused
In Bible :

Women Shall Not Speak

“Let your women keep
silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at
home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I
Corinthians 14:34-35)

Women’s Sorrow

“Unto the
woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to
thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis
3:16)

Comment

Not only does the Woman get blamed for
the Fall, but God decides to multiply her sorrow, plus, she must
submit to her husband like a slave.

Rip Up Pregnant
Women

“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up.”
(Hosea 13:16)

“Give me any plague, but the plague of the
heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.” (Eccles.
25:13)

Women in the Bible are considered evil

“Of the
woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.”
(Eccles. 25:22)

Wives, Submit Yourselves!

“Wives,
submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the
husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the
church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is
subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in
everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

Wife Like Slaves ?

Stone
The Woman!

“If a man be found lying with a woman married to
an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;”
(Deuteronomy 22:22)

“Then ye shall bring them both out unto
the gate of that city, and ye shall
stone them with stones that
they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and
the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou
shalt put away evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)

Silence
The Woman!

“Let the women learn in silence with all
subjection. But I suffer not a woman
to teach, nor to usurp
authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam
was first
formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being
deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Cut
Off Her Hand!

“When men strive together one with another,
and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out
of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and
taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine
eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Female
Births Get Penalty

“Speak unto the children of Israel,
saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then
she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the
separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus
12:2)

“But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be
unclean two weeks, as in her
separation: and she shall continue in
the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.” (Leviticus
12:5)

Raping And Killing

“Every one that is found
shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined
unto them
shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed
to
pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and
their wives
ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)

Birth of Woman
Is A Loss

The Catholic Bible states explicitly that:


The birth of a daughter is a loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

Woman
Unclean for two weeks for giving birth to a female child as compared
to seven days of a male child

“…If a woman have conceived
seed, and born a man child: then she shall be
unclean seven
days…but if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two
weeks…” (Leviticus 12:2-5)

May God Bless You and Give You
Guidance…Worship only one Almighty God without partners…follow
the Greatest Commandment..

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

AlQuran protect and appreciate woman :

“And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women.” [Noble Quran 2:228]

“O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness,
that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them – except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good.” [Noble Quran 4:19]

Women Abused In Bible :

Women Shall Not Speak

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Women’s Sorrow

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis 3:16)

Comment

Not only does the Woman get blamed for the Fall, but God decides to multiply her sorrow, plus, she must submit to her husband like a slave.

Rip Up Pregnant Women

“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”
(Hosea 13:16)

“Give me any plague, but the plague of the
heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.” (Eccles. 25:13)

Women in the Bible are considered evil

“Of the
woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.”
(Eccles. 25:22)

Wives, Submit Yourselves!

“Wives,
submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the
husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the
church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is
subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in
everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

Wife Like Slaves ?

Stone
The Woman!

“If a man be found lying with a woman married to
an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;”
(Deuteronomy 22:22)

“Then ye shall bring them both out unto
the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they
die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the
man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt
put away evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)

Silence
The Woman!

“Let the women learn in silence with all
subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority
over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then
Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in
the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Cut Off Her
Hand!

“When men strive together one with another, and the
wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the
hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh
him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall
not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Female Births Get
Penalty

“Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a
woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be
unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her
infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus 12:2)

“But if
she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her
separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying
threescore and six days.” (Leviticus 12:5)

Raping And
Killing

“Every one that is found shall be thrust through;
and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their
children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their
houses shall be spoiled, and their wives
ravished.” (Isaiah
13:15-16)

Birth of Woman Is A Loss

The Catholic Bible
states explicitly that:

” The birth of a daughter is a
loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

Woman Unclean for two weeks
for giving birth to a female child as compared to seven days of a
male child

“…If a woman have conceived seed, and born a
man child: then she shall be unclean seven days…but if she bear a
maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks…” (Leviticus
12:2-5)

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…Worship only
one Almighty God without partners…follow the Greatest
Commandment..

Hi Lato
Sensu,

Bible support terrorism and suicide killing of 3000
lives :

There are more than 200 words of Sword in Bible and
none in AlQuran.

34″Do not think that I came to bring
peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35″For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER
AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A
DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER
MOTHER-IN-LAW;… Matthew 10:34

Now therefore, kill every male
among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man
intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately,
spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)

“I tell you that
to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does
not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these
enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them
here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

Now the
house was full of … about three thousand men and women … And
Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God .. strengthen me
… that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes
… and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that
were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than
they which he slew in his life. Judges 16:27-30

Women Abused
In Bible :

Women Shall Not Speak

“Let your women keep
silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at
home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I
Corinthians 14:34-35)

Women’s Sorrow

“Unto the
woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to
thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis
3:16)

Comment

Not only does the Woman get blamed for
the Fall, but God decides to multiply her sorrow, plus, she must
submit to her husband like a slave.

Rip Up Pregnant
Women

“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up.”
(Hosea 13:16)

“Give me any plague, but the plague of the
heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.” (Eccles.
25:13)

Women in the Bible are considered evil

“Of the
woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.”
(Eccles. 25:22)

Wives, Submit Yourselves!

“Wives,
submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the
husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the
church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is
subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in
everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

Wife Like Slaves ?

Stone
The Woman!

“If a man be found lying with a woman married to
an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;”
(Deuteronomy 22:22)

“Then ye shall bring them both out unto
the gate of that city, and ye shall
stone them with stones that
they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and
the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou
shalt put away evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)

Silence
The Woman!

“Let the women learn in silence with all
subjection. But I suffer not a woman
to teach, nor to usurp
authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam
was first
formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being
deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Cut
Off Her Hand!

“When men strive together one with another,
and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out
of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and
taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine
eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Female
Births Get Penalty

“Speak unto the children of Israel,
saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then
she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the
separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus
12:2)

“But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be
unclean two weeks, as in her
separation: and she shall continue in
the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.” (Leviticus
12:5)

Raping And Killing

“Every one that is found
shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined
unto them
shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed
to
pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and
their wives
ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)

Birth of Woman
Is A Loss

The Catholic Bible states explicitly that:


The birth of a daughter is a loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

Woman
Unclean for two weeks for giving birth to a female child as compared
to seven days of a male child

“…If a woman have conceived
seed, and born a man child: then she shall be
unclean seven
days…but if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two
weeks…” (Leviticus 12:2-5)

May God Bless You and Give You
Guidance…Worship only one Almighty God without partners…follow
the Greatest Commandment..

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

I see you’re an accomplished liar — deflection, false moral equivalences, and tu quoque. Clumsy and absurd, but unsurprising.

The Christian religion produces Margaret Thatcher, Mother
Teresa, and Condoleezza Rice, while Islam produces ISIS sex slave
markets.

The Biblical texts you cite — obviously out of context — are neither commands to nor endorsements of harming women because they are women; on the contrary, even the “submit” passage is both preceded by “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ,” and put in context by the expectation that while a wife should “respect” her husband, a husband is to lay down his life for his wife, loving her as he loves himself.

Now, back to the thing you’re trying desperately to avoid: Islam. Is it the rape, wife-beating, or pedophilia that you love so much?

“…we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,’ where her menses were over and he took her for his wife […]” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143).

“[…] good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion,
admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them […]” (Qur’an 4:34).

“Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (Qur’an 2:223).

“Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)” (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 and 65).

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

Condoleeza Rice is the Secretary State to George W Bush,

George W Bush is the real terrorist,

He killed 100,000 muslims include women, children, old man and old women when he attacked Afghanistan.

He killed millions muslims include women, children, old man and old women when he attacked Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of children died or malnutrition when Iraq was imposed saction for 12 years.

Muslim are the most victim of terrorism.
Bible abuse women :

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill
everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,”
they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a
virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young
virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at
Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners
who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident
foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them
as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.
You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives,
must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free
in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was
single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go
free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then
his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a
slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh
year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave
may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would
rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God.
Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an
awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus
21:2-6 NLT)

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

More ridiculous tu quoque and false moral equivalences.

Moses’ laws ameliorated the harshness of slavery, which was ubiquitous in the ancient world (and abolished only by Christianity).

They were neither commands to take slaves nor endorsements of slavery, unlike your genocidal pedophile Muhammad, who preached and practiced the enslavement of entire civilizations as dhimmis, including the slaughter of the men of a tribe and the taking of their wives and daughters as sex slaves.

(Not to mention the utter, vile, hellish depravity of what your demoniac did to poor, little, prepubescent ‘Aisha, establishing nearly one and one-half millennia — so far — of child sex slavery in Allah’s name.)

So, is it the rape, slavery, wife-beating, or pedophilia that attracts you so?

Anyone who can read can see for themselves the vast distance between Christianity and Islam:

‘Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women” (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715).

“[…] good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them […]” (Qur’an 4:34).

“Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (Qur’an 2:223).

“Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460).

“Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” (Qur’an 2:282).

“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (Qur’an 4:3).

“If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way […]” (Qur’an 4:15).

“Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (Qur’an 4:11).

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

Islam Spread Peacefully throughout the World by its message and Not by the Sword

Many non-Muslims, when they think about Islam, picture religious fanatics on camels with a sword in one hand and a Qur’an in the other. This myth, which was made popular in Europe during the Crusades, is totally baseless.

The Qur’an clearly instructs:

“Say: Oh you that reject the faith!I do not worship that which you worship,
Nor will you worship that which I worship.And I will not worship that which you have
been accustomed to worship.Nor will you worship that which I worship.

You have your way and I have mine.” – Qur’an English Translation [109:1-6]

You have your way and I have mine.” – Qur’an English Translation [109:1-6]

In other words, you do your thing, and I’ll do mine. Thus, from this Chapter alone clearly the myths that claim that Islam promotes forceful conversions of non-Muslims is shattered.

Also, the Holy Qur’an clearly says “Let there be no compulsion in religion”.

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:
whoever rejects Evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy
hand-hold, that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.”– Qur’an
English Translation [2:256]

Compulsion is defined by Dictionary.com as: the act of compelling; constraint; coercion. Again we see DIRECT evidence from the Qur’an speaking out against forcing faith on
people.

In addition to this, Islam teaches that a person’s faith must be pure and sincere, so it is certainly not something that can be forced on someone. In debunking the myth that Islam was “spread by the sword”, the (non-Muslim) historian De Lacy O’Leary wrote:
“History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping
through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered
races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever
accepted.” (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.)

It should also be known that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and
flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the
Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries.

Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long
in the middle of the Islamic Empire?

Additionally, if one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam from Spain and Morocco in the West to India and China in the East, one would realize that they were far too few to force people to be members of a religion against their will.
Additionally, the great empire and civilization established by the Muslims had
great staying power — its citizens were proud to be part of it.

The spread of Islam stands in contrast to the actions of the followers of Christianity, who since the time of the Emperor Constantine have made liberal use of the sword – often basing their conduct on Biblical verses. This was especially true of the colonization of South America and Africa, where native peoples were systematically wiped-out or forced to convert.

It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This
is a unique occurrence in history – the conquerors adopting the religion of the
conquered! Since they were the victors, they certainly could not have been
forced to become Muslims!

Ask any of the over one billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they were forced! The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia…and there were never any battles fought there!

So where was the sword? How could someone be forced to adhere to a spiritually rewarding and demanding religion like Islam? Islam indeed spread through peaceful means. God mentions in the Qur’an the proper way of calling people to the faith:

“Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.” – Qur’an English Translation [16:125]

What did God tell Prophet Muhammad about concerning himself with other’s faith

All throughout the Qur’an God is instructing the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to preach the clear message (Qur’an) to the public and nothing more. God tells Prophet Muhammad that he is to be a bearer of good news and not the disposer of men’s affairs.

His job is not to force belief on anyone but to simply give admonition (advice, warning, and counsel) to those around him. The Qur’an is a mercy sent from God so that people may take heed of God’s final revelation to mankind in order to benefit their own
souls:

“And We have sent thee (O Muhammad) only as a bearer of good tidings and a warner. Say: I ask of you no reward for this, save that whoso will may choose a way unto his
Lord.” – Qur’an English Translation [25:56-57]

“Verily We have revealed the Book to thee in Truth, for (instructing) mankind. He, then, that receives guidance benefits his own soul: but he that strays injures his own
soul. Nor art thou set over them to dispose of their affairs.” – Qur’an English Translation
[39:41]

“And those who take as protectors others besides Him,- Allah doth watch over them; and thou art not the disposer of their affairs.” – Qur’an English Translation [42:6]

“Say: “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for
the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message).” – Qur’an English
Translation [24:54]

“And to rehearse the Qur’an: and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls, and if any stray, say: “I am only a Warner.” – Qur’an English Translation [27:92]

“Therefore do thou give admonition, for thou art
one to admonish. Thou art not one to manage (men’s) affairs. But if any turn away and reject Allah, -Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment,” – Qur’an English Translation [88:21-24]

“Say thou: “This is my way: I do invite unto Allah,- on evidence clear as the seeing with one’s eyes,- I and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah. and never will I join gods with Allah.” – Qur’an English Translation [12:108]

“So obey Allah, and obey His Messenger. but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Messenger is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly. Allah. There is no god but He: and on Allah, therefore, let the Believers put their trust.” – Qur’an English Translation [64:12-13]

“But if any reject Faith, let not his rejection grieve thee: to Us is their return, and We shall tell them the truth of their deeds: for Allah knows well all that is in (men’s) hearts.” – Qur’an English Translation [31:23]

“And let nothing keep thee back from the Signs of Allah after they have been revealed to thee: and invite (men) to thy Lord, and be not of the company of those who join gods with Allah.” – Qur’an English Translation [28:87]

God often mentions the spiritually deaf and blind

God tells the Prophet that he cannot guide those whom voluntarily deny faith and guidance, for they are “spiritually deaf and blind” to the truth:

“So put thy trust in Allah. for thou art on (the path of) manifest Truth.
Truly thou canst not cause the dead to listen, nor canst thou cause the deaf to hear the call, especially) when they turn back in retreat. Nor canst thou be a guide to the blind, (to prevent them) from straying: only those wilt thou get to listen who believe in Our
Signs, and they will bow in Islam.” – Qur’an English Translation [27:79-81]

Prophet Jesus too understood that those whom don’t seek guidance are also spiritually deaf and blind:

“To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will
have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what
little understanding they have will be taken away from them. That is why I use these parables, For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.” – New Testament (Matthew 13: 12-13)

“Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have
thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their
ears; if they saw every one of the signs, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: “These are nothing but tales of the ancients.” – Qur’an English Translation [6:25]

“O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak). Nor be like those who say, “We hear,” but listen not: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not. If Allah had found in them any good. He would indeed have made them listen:
(As it is), if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and
declined (Faith). O ye who believe! give your response to Allah and His
Messenger, when He calleth you to that which will give you life; and know that
Allah cometh in between a man and his heart, and that it is He to Whom ye shall
(all) be gathered.”
– Qur’an English Translation [8:20-24]

“A Book, whereof the verses are
explained in detail;- a Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand;- Giving
good news and admonition: yet
most of them turn away, and so they hear not. They say: “Our hearts are under
veils, (concealed) from that to which thou dost invite us, and in our ears in a
deafness, and between us and
thee is a screen: so do thou (what thou wilt); for us, we shall do (what we
will!).” ” – Qur’an
English Translation [41:3-5]

“They thought there would be no trial (or punishment); so they became blind and deaf; yet Allah (in mercy) turned to them; yet again many of them became blind and deaf. But Allah sees well all that they do.” – Qur’an English Translation [5:71]

“Hast thou seen him who chooseth for his god his own lust? Wouldst thou then be guardian over him? Or deemest thou that most of them hear or understand? They are but as the cattle – nay, but they are farther astray?” – Qur’an English Translation [25:43-44]

“Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight.” – Qur’an English Translation [76:2]

“Have We not made for him a pair of eyes?- And a tongue, and a pair of lips?- And shown him the two highways?” – Qur’an English Translation [90:9-10]

“Say: “Think ye, if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed up your hearts, who – a god other than Allah – could restore them to you?” See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); yet they turn aside.” – Qur’an English Translation [6:46]

Indeed, God has given us the necessary faculties of intellect to discern truth from error. We are suppose to use these gifts of learning to gain knowledge through analysis:

“O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done. ” – Qur’an English Translation [49:6]

Proclaiming God’s message to your nearest kin

So how was The Prophet instructed to deal with his nearest kin, as far as proclaiming God’s message:

“And admonish thy nearest kinsmen, And lower thy wing to the Believers who follow
thee. Then if they disobey thee, say: “I am free (of responsibility) for what ye do!” –
Qur’an English Translation [26:214 -216]

Clearly, if someone chooses the path of disbelief than that is their choice. As Muslims we are only responsible for our own souls on the Day of Judgment. As the Qur’an clearly
instructs and as the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) demonstrated; faith
cannot be forced upon anyone. The repercussions of disbelief come from God
alone, for as people we are not the disposers of other’s affairs.

So what does the Bible say about accepting the disbelief of your loved one and nearest kin?

“If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither
you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or
far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him
to death, and then the hands of all the people.” – Old Testament (Tanakh) (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)

“and contrary to my command has
worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars
of the sky, and this has been brought to your attention, then you must
investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this
detestable thing has been done in Israel,

“and contrary to my command has
worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars
of the sky, and this has been brought to your attention, then you must
investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this
detestable thing has been done in Israel,

take the man or woman who has done this evil
deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.” – Old Testament (Tanakh)
(Deuteronomy 17:3-5)

All who would not seek the LORD, the God of
Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or
great, man or woman.” – Old Testament (Tanakh)
(2 Chronicles 15:13)

God instructs the believers
to forgive the non-believers

Truly, the Qur’an has no
equivalent to the Bible’s calling for the death of apostates. Far from it
however, God clearly instructs us that there is to be no compulsion in
religion:

“Let there be NO compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and
believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks.
And God hears and knows all things.”– Qur’an English Translation
[2:256]

Indeed, God tells us to
actually forgive those who do no look forward to being near to God:

“Tell those who believe, to
forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah. It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People
according to what they have earned. If any one does a righteous deed, it ensures
to the benefit of his own soul; if he does evil, it works against (his own
soul). In the end will ye (all) be brought back to your Lord.” – Qur’an English
Translation [45:14-15]

“And the servants of
(Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility,
and when the ignorant address
them, they say, “Peace!”” –
Qur’an English Translation [25:63]

Repercussions of rejecting
the clear truth

So the bottom line is that the
choice to believe is our own. However, if we act irrationally without careful
consideration of the consequences, there can be unwanted repercussions…so
choose wisely:

Say, “The truth is from your Lord”: Let him who will believe, and let
him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We
have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a
tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like
melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How
uncomfortable a couch to recline on! As to those who believe and work
righteousness, verily We shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a
(single) righteous deed. – Qur’an English Translation [18:29-30]

According to the Bible, Jesus too
understood the repercussions of rejecting God’s Law:

“Don’t be
afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul.
Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body
in hell.” – New Testament (Matthew
10:28)

According to the Bible, Jesus too
understood the repercussions of rejecting God’s Law:

“Don’t be
afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul.
Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body
in hell.” – New Testament (Matthew
10:28)

“Nay, this surely is an admonition:
Let any who will,
keep it in remembrance!” – Qur’an English
Translation [74:54]

Islam Spread Peacefully throughout the World by its message and Not
by the Sword

Many non-Muslims,
when they think about Islam, picture religious fanatics on camels with a sword
in one hand and a Qur’an in the other. This myth, which was made popular in
Europe during the Crusades, is totally baseless.

The Qur’an
clearly instructs:

“Say: Oh you
that reject the faith!
I do not worship that which you worship,
Nor will
you worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which you have
been accustomed to worship.
Nor will you worship that which I
worship.

You have your way and I have mine.”
– Qur’an English Translation [109:1-6]

You have your way and I have mine.”
– Qur’an English Translation [109:1-6]

In other words, you do your thing, and I’ll do mine. Thus,
from this Chapter alone clearly the myths that claim that Islam promotes
forceful conversions of non-Muslims is shattered.

Also, the Holy Qur’an
clearly says “Let there be no compulsion in religion”.

“Let there be no compulsion in
religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:
whoever rejects Evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy
hand-hold, that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.”– Qur’an
English Translation [2:256]

Compulsion is defined
by Dictionary.com as: the act of compelling; constraint; coercion. Again
we see DIRECT evidence from the Qur’an speaking out against forcing faith on
people.

In addition to this,
Islam teaches that a person’s faith must be pure and sincere, so it is certainly
not something that can be forced on someone. In debunking the myth that Islam
was “spread by the sword”, the (non-Muslim) historian De Lacy O’Leary wrote:
“History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping
through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered
races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever
accepted.” (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.)

It should also be
known that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up
to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and
flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the
Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries.

Countries such as
Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or
Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or
forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long
in the middle of the Islamic Empire?

Additionally, if one
considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam from Spain and
Morocco in the West to India and China in the East, one would realize that they
were far too few to force people to be members of a religion against their will.
Additionally, the great empire and civilization established by the Muslims had
great staying power — its citizens were proud to be part of it.

The
spread of Islam stands in contrast to the actions of the followers of
Christianity, who since the time of the Emperor Constantine have made liberal
use of the sword – often basing their conduct on Biblical verses. This was
especially true of the colonization of South America and Africa, where native
peoples were systematically wiped-out or forced to convert.

It is also
interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions
of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This
is a unique occurrence in history – the conquerors adopting the religion of the
conquered! Since they were the victors, they certainly could not have been
forced to become Muslims!

Ask any of the over
one billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they were forced! The
largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia…and there were never
any battles fought there!

So where was the sword? How could someone be
forced to adhere to a spiritually rewarding and demanding religion like Islam?
Islam indeed spread through peaceful means. God mentions in the Qur’an
the proper way of calling people to the faith:

“Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful
preaching; and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious.” – Qur’an English Translation [16:125]

What did God tell Prophet
Muhammad about concerning himself with other’s faith

All throughout the Qur’an God is
instructing the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to preach the clear message
(Qur’an) to the public and nothing more. God tells Prophet Muhammad that he is
to be a bearer of good news and not the disposer of men’s affairs.

His job is not to force belief on
anyone but to simply give admonition (advice, warning, and counsel) to those
around him. The Qur’an is a mercy sent from God so that people may take heed of
God’s final revelation to mankind in order to benefit their own
souls:

“And We have sent thee (O Muhammad) only as a
bearer of good tidings and a warner. Say: I ask of you no reward for this, save that whoso will may choose a way unto his
Lord.” – Qur’an English
Translation [25:56-57]

“Verily We have
revealed the Book to thee in Truth, for (instructing) mankind. He, then, that
receives guidance benefits his own soul: but he that strays injures his own
soul. Nor art thou set over them to dispose of
their affairs.” – Qur’an English Translation
[39:41]

“And those who take as protectors others besides Him,- Allah
doth watch over them; and thou art not the
disposer of their affairs.” – Qur’an English
Translation [42:6]

“Say: “Obey
Allah, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for
the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall
be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only
to preach the clear (Message).” – Qur’an English
Translation [24:54]

“And to rehearse the Qur’an: and if any accept
guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls, and if any stray,
say: “I am only a Warner.” – Qur’an English Translation [27:92]

“Therefore do thou
give admonition, for thou art
one to admonish. Thou art not one to manage (men’s) affairs. But if any turn away and reject Allah, -Allah
will punish him with a mighty Punishment,” – Qur’an English Translation
[88:21-24]

“Say
thou: “This is my way: I do invite unto Allah,- on
evidence clear as the seeing with one’s eyes,- I
and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah. and never will I join gods with Allah.”
– Qur’an English Translation [12:108]

“So obey Allah, and obey His
Messenger. but if ye turn back, the duty of Our
Messenger is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly. Allah. There is no god but He: and on Allah, therefore, let the
Believers put their trust.” – Qur’an English Translation [64:12-13]

“But
if any reject Faith, let not his rejection grieve
thee: to Us is their return, and We shall tell
them the truth of their deeds: for Allah knows well all that is in (men’s)
hearts.” – Qur’an English Translation [31:23]

“And let nothing keep thee
back from the Signs of Allah after they have been revealed to thee:
and invite (men) to thy Lord, and be not of the company of those who join gods with Allah.” –
Qur’an English Translation [28:87]

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

You lie about Christianity, and you lie about Islam.

The Son of God committed no sin, spoke only the truth, healed the sick, raised the dead, died for the sins of the whole world (including you and me), and resurrected, commanding His people to love even their enemies and giving the world the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule.

On the other hand, the genocidal pedophile Muhammad preached and practiced the most vile atrocities in human history, including the rape, enslavement, and slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to convert.

Whereas Muhammad was well-intentioned-but-deceived at the beginning of his “prophetic” career, by the end it, he was a demoniac hell-bent on the total subjugation of all humanity to his lusts. All the earlier verses that talked about cooperation or basic human decency were abrogated by his last verses from hell:

“the Messenger of Allah […] would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. […] When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. […] Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. […] If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them […]'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

The greatest commandment,

Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.

Jesus said there is only one God…

God is not a man…

Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless:
and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

All muslim believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he
was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was
conceived….Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9,8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual
statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean
and the clean,…Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you…..Most muslims are not eat pork.

Matthew 26:39, He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the
ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”
…Most muslims pray by bowed face to the ground.

Thirty verses proofs – No crucifixion

Jesus Christ was neither killed nor was he crucified, as alleged by the
Christians and the Jews, but that he was alive! because:

1. Jesus was reluctant to die! He had worked out a strategy of defence
to repel the Jews. Because he wanted to remain alive!

2. He beseeched God for help. With strong crying and tears for God
Almighty to keep him alive!

3. God ‘heard’ his prayers which means that God accepted his prayers
to keep him alive!

4. An angel of god came to strengthen him: In the hope and belief that
God will save him alive!

5. Pilate finds Jesus not guilty! Good reason to keep Jesus alive!

6. Pilates wife shown a dream in which she was told that – ‘No harm
should come to this just man.’ In other words that he should be
saved alive!

7. Supposed to be on the cross for only three hours. According to the
system in vogue, no man could die by crucifixion in so short a time
which means that even if he was fastened to the cross – he was alive!

8. The other two – his ‘crossmates’ on their respective crosses were
alive. So Jesus too, for the same period of time must be alive!

9. Encyclopedia biblica under article ‘cross’ – column 960 says:
‘When the spear was thrust – Jesus was alive!

10. ‘Forthwith’ came there out blood and water: ‘Forthwith’ means
straightaway, immediately which was a sure sign that Jesus was alive!

11. Legs not broken – as a fulfilment of prophecy. ‘Legs’ can be of
any use only if Jesus was alive!

12.Thunderstorm, earthquake, and darkening of the sun all within 3 hours! To disperse the sadistic mob to enable his ‘secret disciples’ to help, keep him alive!

13. Jews doubted his death: They suspected that he had escaped death on the cross – that he was alive!

14. Pilate ‘marvels’ to hear that Jesus was dead. He knew from
experience that no man can die so soon by crucifixion. He suspected
that Jesus was alive!

15. Big roomy chamber: Close at hand, and big and airy for willing hands
to come to the rescue. Providence was out to keep Jesus alive!

16. Stone and ‘winding sheets’ had to be removed: Only necessary if
Jesus was alive!

17. Report on winding sheets. German Scientists who carried out
experiments on the ‘Shroud of Turin’ said that the heart of Jesus
had not stopped functioning – that he was alive!

18. Ever in disguise! Disguise not necessary if Jesus was ‘resurrected’.
Only necessary if he was alive!

19. Forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him ‘Touch me not’ for this
reason that it would hurt; because he was alive!

20. ‘Not yet ascended unto my father’ In the language of the Jews, in
the idiom of the Jews, he was saying, ‘I am not dead yet’, in
other words, ‘I am alive!’

21. Mary Magdalene not afraid on recognising Jesus. Because she had seen signs of life before. She was looking for a Jesus who was alive!

22. Disciples petrified on seeing Jesus in the upper-room. All their
knowledge about the ‘crucifixion’ was from hearsay, therefore,
they could not believe that Jesus was alive!

23. Ate food again and again in his post ‘crucifixion’ appearances.
Food only necessary if he was alive!

24. Never showed himself to his enemies. Because he had escaped death by the ‘skin of his teeth’. He was alive!

25. Took only short trips. Because he was not resurrected, not
spiritualised, but alive!

26. Testimony of men around the tomb “Why seek ye the living among the dead?” (Luke 24:4-5) That he is not dead, but alive!

27. Testimony of angels “angels who had said that he was alive!”
(Luke 24:23) Did not say, ‘resurrected’ but the actual word uttered by the angels was ‘Alive!’

28. Mary Magdalene testifies “they heard that he was alive, and had
been seen by her, they believed not” (Mark 16-11).

Mary did not vouch for a spook, or ghost or spirit of Jesus but a Live
Jesus. What they could not believe was that the Master was alive!

29. Dr. primrose testifies: That the ‘water and the blood’, when
Jesus was lanced on the side, was on account of an upset in the
nervous vessels because of the scourging by staves. Which was a sure
sign that Jesus was alive!

30. Jesus had himself foretold that his miracle will be the miracle of
Jonah! According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was alive, when we
expected him to be dead; similarly when we expect Jesus to be dead,
he should be alive!

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Again, a lot of copying-and-pasting in service to lies.

Regarding the Son of God, He clearly refers to Himself with the Divine name “I AM” (YHWH) in John 8. He forgives sins. He raises the dead and Himself rose from the dead.

Besides that, there are numerous references to His divinity throughout the Old and New Testaments. Consider the Prophet Isaiah, who relates that the Child to be born would be called “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” And His Apostles called Him, “My Lord and my God!”

As to His resurrection, everyone — Christ’s Apostles, the Jewish and Roman authorities who had Him murdered, the multitudes of Jerusalem — all saw the Romans torture, humiliate, and crucify Him. (When the Romans kill you, you’re dead.) And many of them saw, spoke and ate with, and touched the resurrected Christ.

You can continue your shameless lies in defense of the genocidal pedophile Muhammad, but that would be foolish, perverse, and evil.

I encourage you to renounce the devil and all his works and all his ways and embrace the Son of God, Whose blood washes away all your sins.

jack
jack
8 years ago

Ho Santiago,
WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH?

“CHRIST” NOT A NAME

Over a thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. They produce “a thousand and one” prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let us hold the thousand” prophecies in abeyance for a moment and examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews.

We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning “anointed.” The Greek word for “anointed” is Christos from which we get the word Christ.

Priests and kings were “anointed” when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1).

We are reminded in the Gospel of St.Luke that “WHEN EIGHT DAYS WERE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CIRCUMCISING OF THE CHILD, HIS NAME WAS CALLED JESUS, WHICH WAS SO NAMED OF THE ANGEL BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB.” (Luke 2:21). The name that was given to Mary for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ. The Jews were not the ones to accept his claim on its face value. They wanted proof!

MIRACLE AS PROOF

Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews – the Scribes and Pharisees – came to Jesus and asked, “MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE”. (Matthew 12:38). What they really wanted was some “magic trick,” some “sleight of hand” like producing a rabbit out of a hat or walking on the water or flying in the air or trodding on burning coal. This is the type of “sign” or MIRACLE they were looking for. The Jews mistook him for a sorcerer, a wizard, a charlatan.

NO “SIGN” BUT ONE

With righteous indignation Jesus replies: “AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE’S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.” Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, “NO SIGN.” He does not refer the Jews to blind Bartimeus whose sight he had restored. He does not speak about the “woman with issues” who was healed by merely touching him; or about the 2000 pigs he had destroyed to heal “a man possessed;” or the 5000 and the 3000 people he had fed and satiated with a few pieces of fish and a few pieces of bread. “No sign,” says Jesus, BUT ONE! – “THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAS!” He is putting all his “eggs” in one basket. His claim to being the Messiah (Christ) stands or falls the ONLY “sign” he was prepared to give.

Did Jesus fulfill the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S! without heeding the Biblical advice – ‘not to take things for granted.’ – but “PROVE ALL THINGS!” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

JONAH FLEES HIS CALL

What was the “sign” (miracle) of Jonah? We have to go to the “Book of Jonah” in the Old Testament to find out. God commanded Jonah to go to Nineveh and warn the Ninevites to repent from their “evil ways, and from the violence that is in their hands.” (Jonah 3:8) But Jonah was loath to go as a warner unto the Ninevites, so he goes to Joppa instead of Ninevah, and takes a boat to run away from the Lord’s command.

While at sea, there was a terrible tempest. According to the superstition of the mariners, a person fleeing from his Master’s command creates such a turmoil at sea. They began to enquire among themselves and said, “COME, AND LET US CAST LOTS, (like the tossing of a coin, “head” or “tail”) THAT WE MAY KNOW FOR WHOSE CAUSE THIS EVIL IS UPON US. SO THEY CAST LOTS, AND THE LOT FELL UPON JONAH.” (Jonah 1:7). Though here was a temporary lapse on the part of Jonah in fulfilling his mission, he manfully and most outrageously volunteers: “AND HE SAID UNTO THEM TAKE ME UP, AND CAST ME FORTH INTO THE SEA; SO SHALL THE SEA BE CALM UNTO YOU: FOR I KNOW THAT FOR MY SAKE THIS GREAT TEMPEST IS UPON YOU.” (Jonah 1:12)

DEAD OR ALIVE?

Since Jonah was selflessly offering himself as a “vicarious” sacrifice there was no need for strangling him before throwing him into the sea, no need to spear him or break his arm or limb. In his own words: “TAKE ME UP AND CAST ME FORTH.” The question now arises, that when the shipmaster and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or alive? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: “ALIVE!” The storm subsides. Was this perhaps a coincidence? A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is “ALIVE” Was he dead or alive when “JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH’S BELLY?” (Jonah 2:1)

Surely dead men don’t cry and don’t pray! The answer again is “ALIVE” For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? “ALIVE!” is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: “AS JONAH WAS ….. SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE” LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive for three days and three nights? Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim!

UNLIKE JONAH

If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the death” of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said “LIKE Jonah” not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting “CHRIST”.

THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?

The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor – “as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth.” “Please note,” says the learned theologian, “that the word “THREE” is repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT ‘As Jonas was’ in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: “OF COURSE!”

PUBLIC HOLIDAY

The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: “FRIDAY!” Is this the reason we celebrate “Good Friday” – as a Public Holiday in every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire at Easter? What makes Good Friday” so good? “it is the death of Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our sins,” says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 19xx years ago? “YES!” says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then dispatching him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an “accursed of God” and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, “that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.”

To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the “secret disciples” of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with “one hundred pounds weight of aaloes and myrrh” (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulcher before night-fall.

WHY “SUPPOSED”?

There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word ‘SUPPOSED’ three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his “secret disciples” to a more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word ‘SUPPOSED’ three times.

In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:-

EASTER WEEKIN THE SEPULCHER DAYSNIGHTSFRIDAY – placed in tomb just before sunset- nil -One nightSATURDAY – supposed to be in tombOne dayOne nightSUNDAY – missing before sunrise- nil — nil -TOTALOne Day Two Nights
You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD for the same period of time as Jonah was – ALIVE.

SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result – THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was “before sunrise” on Sunday morning (the FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.

“GOOD” WEDNESDAY

The Armstrong family has debunked the whole Christian world. They seem to know their arithmetic! Mr Robert Fahey of the “Plain Truth” magazine, delivered a lecture recently at the “Holiday Inn,’ Durban, where I was present. Mr Fahey attempted to prove to his Christian audience that Jesus Christ was crucified on a Wednesday and not on Friday, as is supposed by Orthodox Christianity for the past two thousand years. According to him if one counts backwards from Sunday morning deducting 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS, one ought to get WEDNESDAY as the answer.

I congratulated Mr Fahey for his ingenuity. I asked him, how was it possible for the past two thousand years the whole Christian world celebrated GOOD FRIDAY instead of GOOD WEDNESDAY. Thus the 1,200,000,000 Christians of the world today are ignorant of the correct day of the so called crucifixion! It means that even the Roman Catholic Church – which claims an unbroken chain of Popes from Peter to this day – according to Mr Fahey are mislead.

GOD OR THE DEVIL?

The question arises, who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. GOD or the DEVIL? Mr Fahey categorically answered: “THE DEVIL!” “If the devil,” I said, “can succeed in confusing the Christians in the most elementary things of their Faith, whether to celebrate a Good Friday or a Good Wednesday, then how much easier for him to mislead Christians in other things concerning God?” Mr Fahey blushed and walked away.

If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we not then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history?
MAy God Bless You ans Give You Guidance..

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

More copied-and-pasted lies.

Here is Matthew’s account of one time that the Son of God confirmed that He is the Christ, the Son of the living God:

Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

[…] Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,
very serious problems and real facts about Christian :

THE QUESTIONS NOBODY WANTS TO ANSWER –

What about the Bible? Who actually wrote it?

What was the original language of the Bible? (Hebrew? Aramaic? Koine Greek?)
NOTE: – The Bible was never in English during the time of any prophet (not even Muhammad) – because English did not exist until after 1066 AD!

Does the Bible exist in the original form anywhere on earth? (No)

Why does the Catholic Bible has seven (7) more books than the Protestant Bible?

Why do these two Bibles have different versions of the same books?

Why are there so many mistakes and errors are from the very first verse right up to the very last verse?

Why do ‘Born Again Christians’ teach concepts that are not from the Bible?

There is no word “Trinity” in the Bible in any version of any language

The oldest forms of Christianity do not support the ‘born again’ beliefs

Jesus of the English Bible complains about the ‘crucifixion’
(“Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani? – My God! My God! Why have You forsaken me?”) [Mk 15:34]

How can Jesus be the “Only Begotten Son” of John 3:16? When in Psalms 2:7 David is God’s “Begotten Son?”

Would a ‘Just’ God, a ‘Fair’ God, a ‘Loving’ God — punish Jesus for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?

What happens to people who died before Jesus came?

What happens to those who never hear this message?

What about innocent children who die although their parents are not Christian?

Didn’t God create Adam from dirt? — So, why does he need Mary to make Jesus?

And what about God?

How can God create Himself?

How can God be a man?

How can a man be a God?

How can God have a son?

The Bible says “Seth (is) the son of Adam” and that”Adam is the son of God.” [Lk 3:36]

Can’t God just forgive us and not have to kill Jesus?

And what about Jesus?

Jesus did not even carry the cross — Simon Cyre’ne, a passerby did! [Mk 15:21]

Jesus of the Bible was NOT on the cross for longer than six (6) hours — NOT three days —
(from the 3rd to the 9th hour) [Mk 15:25 & 15:33]

Jesus of the Bible did not spend three days and nights in the tomb — Friday night – until
Sunday before dawn — is not 3 days and nights!

Jesus DID NOT claim to be God – or even equal to God!
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

You’re perseverating in prevarication, and it’s clear that you’ve read nothing that I’ve offered so far.

The Son of God, the Prophets before Him, and His Apostles all testify to His being God Incarnate.

As for the languages of the Bible, the texts were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The fact that they weren’t translated into English until centuries later means nothing with regard to their reliability. We have multitudes of manuscript copies of the Biblical texts, and we’re finding reliable and more ancient copies all the time.

You can have complete confidence that when Jesus affirms that He is the Christ, the Son of the living God, that that is exactly what He intends us to understand.

Now, assuming that your texts are reliable, why in the world would you put your confidence in a genocidal pedophile who worshiped a demon?

Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

[…] Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

Contradictions in the Bible?
First and foremost, let me be perfectly clear on the position of Muslims regarding the authenticity of the Holy Bible. It is a condition of faith for believers to believe in all of God’s Books and scripture as stipulated by the Quran, the Last and Final Testament from Almighty God to mankind, that the previous scriptures, including of course the Old Testament (Arabic = Torah), the Psalms (Arabic = Zabur) and the New Testament (Arabic
= Injeel) were all from Almighty God (Arabic = Allah) in their original form. The
beginning verses of the Quran clearly spell out the position of the ‘Believer’ with regard to these scriptures. As the translation from Arabic may be rendered regarding the conditions of believers:
“And they (believers) believe in what is being sent down to you (Muhammad, peace be upon him) and they believe in what has been sent down before (previous Holy scriptures to Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, and of course Jesus, peace be upon them all).”
[Quran 2:2,3]

Therefore, it must be established that Muslims do accept that Almighty Allah did send down many Holy Books and he did allow the people to alter, change, delete and make additions to these Books, and as such, they can not longer be considered as the
“Word of God” in their present condition. This is something immediately agreed upon by all qualified Biblical scholars.

Incidentally, there is sufficient evidence in the Quran to prove the remainder of the Bible
still contains many of the original teachings and sayings of the prophets to whom the various scriptures were revealed.

From the previous chapter we can easily determine that the original source of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments have been lost and are no longer extant in any
language. What has remained and been referred to for translations, is in fact nothing more than old copies that do not necessarily agree with each other and there does exist in them obvious corruption in additions and deletions. Additionally, they are not
complete and do not have full agreement of the scholars of the Bible as to their
meanings.

Just to offer a few of the many contradictions and errors of that which is being presented as the “Word of God” in the Bible I would like to quote the research of scholars of the Bible:

VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THEMSELVES
Genesis 6:3 and Genesis 11:11 – Life limited to 120 years?
Genesis 32:30 and Exodus 33:20 – Jacob’s life was preserved?
Exodus 4:22 and Jeremiah 31:9 – Who was God’s firstborn?
Numbers 23:19 and Genesis 6:6-7 – Does God repent or not?
2 Samuel 6:23 and 2 Samuel 21:8 – Did Michael have children?
2 Samuel 8:4 and 1 Chronicles 18:4 – 700 or 7000 horsemen?
2 Samuel 8:9-10 and 1 Chronicles 18:9-10 – Toi or Tou?
Hadadezer or Hadarezer? Joram or Hadoram?
2 Samuel 10:18 and 1
Chronicles 19:18 – 700 or 7000 charioteers? 40,000 horsemen or
footmen? Captain’s name?
2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 – Who provoked David?
2 Samuel 24:9 and 1 Chronicles 21:5 – 800,000 or 100,000?
2 Samuel 24:13 and 1 Chronicles 21:11-12 – 7 or 3 years?
1 Kings 4:26 and 2 Chronicles 9:25 – 40,000 or 4,000 stalls?
1 Kings 5:15-16 and 2 Chronicles 2:2 – 3300 or 3600?
1 Kings 7:26 and 2 Chronicles 4:5 – 2000 or 3000 baths?
2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 – 22 or 42 years old?
2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9 – 18 or 8 years old? 3 months or 3 months and 10 days?
Ezra 2:65 and Nehemiah 7:67 – 200 or 245 singers?
Matthew 1:12 and Luke 3:27 – Who was Salathiel’s father?
Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 – Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 9:18 and Mark 5:22-23 – Dead or not?
Matthew 10:5-10 and Mark 6:7-8 – Bring a staff or not?
Matthew 15:21-22 and Mark 7:24-26 – The woman was of Canaan or Greece?
Matthew 20:29-30 and Mark 10:46-47 – One or two beggars?
Matthew 21:1-2 and Mark 11:1-2 – What happened to the ass?
Matthew 26:74-75 and Mark 14:72 – Before the cock crow once or twice?
Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1:18 – How did Judas die?
John 3:16 and Psalms 2:7 – Only begotten son?
John 5:31 and John 8:14 –
Was Jesus’ record true or not?
VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THE TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE AND/OR THE DIVINITY OF JESUS
Exodus 33:20,
John 1:18, 1 Timothy 6:16 – No one saw God.
Isaiah 42:8 – Do not praise and worship images.
Isaiah 45:1 – “Anointed” does not mean “God”.
Matthew 14:23, 19:13, 26:39, 27:46,
26:42-44 – Jesus prayed.
Matthew 24:36 – Jesus was not all-knowing.
Matthew 26:39 – Jesus and God had different wills.
Matthew 28:18 – All power was given to Jesus.
Mark 1:35, 6:46, 14:35-36 – Jesus prayed.
Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19 – Jesus denied divinity.
Mark 12:28-29 – God is one.
Mark 13:32 – Jesus was not all-knowing.
Mark 16:19 and Luke 22:69 – Jesus at the right hand of God.
Luke 3:21, 5:16, 6:12, 9:18, 9:28, 11:1-4,
22:41 – Jesus prayed.
Luke 4:18, 9:48, 10:16 – Jesus was from God.
Luke 7:16, 13:33, 24:18-19 – Jesus was a prophet.
Luke 10:21 – Jesus gave thanks.
Luke 23:46 – The spirit of Jesus was
commended to God.
John 4:19 – Jesus was a prophet.
John 4:23-24 – Worship in spirit and truth.
John 14:28 – One was greater than the other.
John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28 – Jesus was helpless.
John 5:20 – The Father showed the son.
John 5:30 and 6:38 – Jesus and God had different wills.
John 5:31-32 – Jesus’ witness was not true.
John 6:11 and 11:41-42 – Jesus gave thanks.
John 6:32 – The Father was the provider, not the son.
John 7:29, 16:5, 16:28 – Jesus was from God.
John 7:16, 12:49, 14:24, 17:14 – Jesus’ words were not his.
John 8:42 – Jesus did not come of himself.
John 10:29 – “My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all.”
John 14:1 – Jesus said, “…believe also in me.”
John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15 – Jesus prayed.
John 14:31 and 15:10 – Jesus followed commands.
John 17:6-8 – “I have given unto them the words which thou gavest
me.”
John 20:17 – Jesus had a god.
Acts 2:22 – Jesus was
“a man approved of God.”
Romans 8:34 – Jesus was an
intercessor.
1 Timothy 2:5 – Jesus was the mediator between God
and humans.

Incidentally, these are really only some selections of contradictions and inaccuracies found in the modern versions of the Bible. There are many more but for the sake of
time and space we have limited ourselves to those listed above.

Again I would like to repeat, the Muslim must believe in all original texts coming from Almighty God. The only subject being discussed here is whether or not the
Bible being offered today in the English language is in fact, the real “Bible”.

Alot of Priests & Preachers entered Islam (List)

http://www.islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/1827-priests-a-preachers-enter-islam-list

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance….

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Still copying-and-pasting nonsense?

(If you’re going to completely ignore others’ comments, then you’re not going to have much of a conversation.)

The Biblical texts are replete with references to Christ’s divinity.

The genocidal pedophile Muhammad’s crimes against God and Man permeate your “sacred” texts.

Try again.

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

First of all, it was not Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, who asked to marry Ayesha, may Allah be pleased with her.
It was Ayesha’s mother and father who offered Ayesha in marriage to the prophet, peace be upon him.
And it was not the first time they had offered her in marriage. Ayesha had already been “engaged” previously and they had offered her in marriage to the prophet on more than one occasion.
One time when Ayesha was around six years old, her mother summoned her into the house where she heard the proposal of marriage being offered, by her father to his life long friend, Muhammad, peace be upon him.
[Please note: it is her father offering the marriage to his lifelong friend (Muhammad, peace be upon him)]
This was the custom of the Arabs in those days.
However, Muhammad, peace be upon him, did not accept this offer at that time, even though it was customary for them.
Ayesha says she returned back outside to her friends.

So she did not marry him.
A few years later, when she was old enough to marry according to Islam (she was able to bear children) she did accept the proposal of marriage and she did marry the prophet, peace be upon him.
We learn that the girl must be old enough to have children and to be able to determine what her will is.
The prophet, peace be upon him, married her at the youngest age a girl can get married.
That is, she was old enough to be considered eligible for marriage and having enough wisdom to make such a choice even at her young age.
Also, she was a virgin. This was to show Muslims about how to treat the young girls when they get married and not to rush into having sex with them until they are ready and fully prepared.
She tells us they had consumated the marriage when she was old enough and ready (and she tells us she was very pleased about the whole entire thing).
So, if she is having no problem with any of this, then who is complaining?
It was through this matrimony of marriage to the prophet, peace be upon him, that we found the example of the meaning of the limitations set forth by Almighty God (Allah) in His Quran.
Read:
“O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will.” Surah An-Nisaa’ (Chapter 4:19)

Ayesha was also given the distinct title of Ummul Mu’mineen (Mother of the Believers) even though she never had a single child. Allah has honored her so much for her patience and dedication.

Again, it is Ayesha herself, may Allah be pleased with her, who tells us in her own words all about the offers of marriage from her father to the prophet, peace be upon him, and of the actual marriage when it did take place years later.

She also describes in glowing terms their engagement, marriage, life together and life after his death – all in the best of terms.

Ayesha never said a single bad thing against her husband and described him as the best of men and the example of the Quran itself.

She learned from him and passed on the most valuable knowledge of family relations in general and marriage in particular through her explanation of her own relationship of our prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

She tells of running races and playing together, enjoying sporting and competition events together, and mentions her personal intimacy with prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, in the most wonderful terms.

Her advice and instructions to both men and women regarding establishing and maintaining the best relationship between man and wife is still the best of counsel we find today.

As noted above, even Allah the Creator and Sustainer of the universe, has defended her honor and integrity in His Book.

Ayesha gave a beautiful account of marriage to the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

She mentioned the detailed descriptions of events and happenings before and during their marriage.

And very important – she demonstrated here continued commitment to the memory of her husband, peace be upon him, and her firm belief about being reunited with him in the Paradise.

You could really say about their story – “..and they all lived happily ever after – in Paradise.”
This represents the very best of marriages between a man and a woman in human history.
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

You don’t know your own religion?

Your genocidal pedophile claimed that Allah made him do it; ‘Aisha was six (and he in his fifties) when they were “married,” but he didn’t begin raping her until she was a prepubescent nine-year-old child:

“Narrated ‘Aisha [Mohammed’s six-year-old “bride” and nine-year-old sexual “partner”]: ‘Allah’s Apostle said (to me), “You were shown to me twice in (my) dream [before I married you]. Behold, a man was carrying you in a silken piece of cloth and said to me, ‘She is your wife, so uncover her,’ and behold, it was you. I would then say (to myself), ‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'”‘” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 139 and 140).

“Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)” (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 and 65).

How sick and twisted you must be to defend a child rapist like Muhammad!

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,
Thanks for asking about my religion,

The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1895 was 7. Yes, SEVEN.

Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,

“In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”

Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,

“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.”

Narrated Sayyidah Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.” {Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234}

Ayshah & Muhammad – The True Love Story for Eternity

The Truth About the Age of Ayshah and Her Marriage to Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

Many things are being said about the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) these days. Some of the accusations are downright amazing and chilling even to consider someone would say it, much less be involved in this type of slander and smear campaign.
Let’s consider some of the questions and what facts really exist about these concerns. Let’s set the record straight once and for all.

A Brief Overview of Basic Facts

What is the true historical evidence about the person life of prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)? What was his life style? What about his marriage to Khadijah (his first wife)? How did the offer of marriage to Ayshah really take place? Who made the offer? Was there any coercion or compulsion? What was her attitude? How did she reflect on it in later years? What did she have to say about it all? How did she feel about their love and intimacy?

He was the most honest and fair of all the people living in his community. None was respected more for honesty, integrity, sobriety and humbleness.

He had no bad habits and did not engage in drinking or relations with women, although it was common place amongst his people.

He never took a girlfriend nor a mistress in his life and never even attended parties or the like at anytime in his life.

His first personal encounter with a woman was his own wife, Khadijah, and that was for marriage. He was 25 years old and she was 15 years older (40).

He was only married to Khadijah until her death at the age of 65 years old.

There was a long time of mourning and sadness during which he was offered marriage to several women of their families.

He did not accept the first offer of marriage to Ayshah when her father had come to him with the proposal, instead he married an older, large woman named Sawdah.

Ayshah had been offered in marriage and engaged prior to being offered to the prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. That marriage never took place.

When Ayshah was older, again her father offered her in marriage and the proposal was accepted.

The whole family was happily involved and most elated in having the prophet of God as their close relative through marriage.

Ayshah herself was very happy with this marriage as is evidenced by the hundreds of teachings she later related after his death (peace and blessings be upon him).

Details of Clear Proofs and Evidences

What is the truth behind of the age of prophet’s wife, Ayesha?
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) did not go to Ayesha at all. There was only the offer of marriage, never anything less than this – and the offer was not from the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to Ayesha – it was from her father to the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) never had sex outside of marriage.
First of all, let us be crystal clear about a very important subject. The prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) never had sex at all, until after being married, at the age of 25, to a widowed woman, Khadijah, who was 15 years older than he was.
When his wife Khadijah died a number of people tried to encourage the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to take another wife and get married again. Ayshah’s name was mentioned, but he chose to marry Sawdah, who was known for her big size.
All of this is well documented and preserved in the annuls of Muslim scholars for fourteen centuries.

How was Ayesha viewed by others at the time and throughout the history of Islam?
She was highly respected as the daughter of Abu Bakr, a man known as “As-Siddiq” (The one who verifies truth). Abu Bakr was the life long friend of the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and the first man to accept Islam after revelation of Quran started.

What was Ayesha like?
Ayesha was very intelligent and brilliant in her mind and excellent in treatment of her parents. She was known to give full respect to her husband, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. She was once accused by some hypocrites of immorality, but in her innocence she did not even know what she was being accused of until her mother explained it to her. And it was Allah who cleared her name forever, by mentioning her purity and innocence in the Quran (Surah An-Nur chapter 24). She became the first of women scholars and teachers of Islam. No other woman narrated as many hadiths as Ayesha.

Marriage offer first came from who?
Khawlah (a Muslim companion woman), suggested the marriage of Ayesha to the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). He did not accept it.

Who next offered her hand in marriage to the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)?
Abu Bakr had offered his daughter in marriage to someone else prior to the offer made to the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. Abu Bakr sent his wife out to bring in his daughter to offer her in marriage to the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and then she returned back outside to play. The prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not accept even though it was very much the custom of the time to accept such an offer of marriage from someone as close as Abu Bakr was to the prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. There is an ayah in the Quran related to this topic, in Surah An-Nisa’, chapter 4, verse 19 – telling us women cannot be inherited against their will. This was the first time for such a ruling in favor of women and it came about to protect women from the very thing people are now trying to accuse our religion of supporting. The truth bears out over the falsehood, in this case very clear.

What did Allah reveal in the Quran about forced marriages and child brides (not old enough to be married)?

“O you who believe, it is for not legal for you to inherit women against their will. And don’t make it difficult for them so you can take from what you have given them (marriage dowry) unless they commit open immorality. And live with them in goodness (Al-Marufi). Because if you dislike them, it could be you dislike something and Allah makes in it a lot of “khair” (good).” [Noble Quran 4:19]

How long before the next offer of marriage by her father to the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)?
When Ayesha was a few years older, her father Abu Bakr, again had the mother bring her into the house to offer her in marriage to the prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. The prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did accept this offer made some years later, when Ayesha was old enough according to Islam (able to bear children).

Was she now considered by Allah to be old enough for marriage?
Yes. This time is was accepted and plans for the marriage were set in place. She tells us of the excitement, preparation and wonderful experience of her being offered and accepted in marriage to the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and their closeness and intimacy. All of this is described in the most beautiful context with nothing left out and yet nothing disgusting – only beauty and enjoyment as described in her own words. The lessons she taught have helped married couples in Islam to know what the limits are and how to share the most pleasure between a married couple in both physical and spiritual ways.

Did she want to be married to him?
Yes. She tells us this was exactly what she wanted all along. The hadiths (narrations by Ayshah) are very clear about all details and must be read in order to fully appreciate the fullness and completeness of their relationship together.

How did she reply to her father’s offer to the prophet, peace and blessings be upon him?
She was very shy and said her silence was understood by her father that she was indeed, accepting the proposal for marriage. This is mentioned by her, along with other important information for Muslims to know about marriage proposals, dowry and proper ways to approach the father or guardian of a woman with the topic of marriage.

What was Ayshah’s status after marrying the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)? (A Brief Overview)

No other woman was loved more by our prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

He wanted to die with his head in her lap (and he did).

They were in total love with each other the way everyone would love to be in love.

Their romance is known to all of the Muslim world and how much they really enjoyed each others company – always.

They planned on being together in Jannah.

She never said a single bad word against her husband during his life, or after his death. Is there a woman living today who could compare to this great woman?

What was the “norm” regarding the subject of marriage at the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and Ayesha?

Actually, the people of Arabia had the custom of marrying off any of their girls at the age of the beginning of their monthly cycles.
Even the Arch Bishop of Canterbury would not have been blamed for marrying a young girl back one hundred years or so as this was still accepted at that time.
Consider the Catholic Church claims that Mary, may Allah’s peace be on her, was married to Joseph before having Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) and her age was just a year or two older than Ayshah’s age, but Joseph was mentioned as being in his 90’s! (we do not have this story in Islam, because Mary is considered a true virgin and never married and never had other children except for Jesus Christ (peace and blessings be upon him).

The marriage of Ayesha to Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is nothing less than the best love story ever written.

Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet leaves much to be desired by comparison. Consider the contrast and be honest in your conclusion:

Romeo and Juliet both were running around behind their parents back – with someone whom they did not approve of at all – their families were fighting each other in a feud and they forbid them to be together at all.

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was being offered the hand of the daughter of his best friend, Abu Bakr in a marriage environment. All of the family members were happy about this and had approved of the marriage.

Romeo and Juliet had their affair in secrecy without the benefit of clergy (not married).

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and Ayesha waited until after marriage and even after a courtship period described in beautiful details by Ayesha herself.

Romeo and Juliet both committed suicide. According to Judaism and Christianity as well as Islam – anyone who commits suicide will go to Hell forever.

Ayesha and Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) both believed in One God – the God of the Jews and the God of Christ (peace and blessings be upon him) and they both preached a message of salvation through direct repentance to Almighty God.

Above all, they will be together in the Paradise where they will live – happily ever after.

Honestly – Which one is the true romance story?

We pray to Allah to accept this humble effort to clarify misunderstandings and remove doubts some people may entertain regarding the relationship of two of the greatest personalities ever to come forth on this earth, ameen.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Thanks for asking about my religion […].

I wasn’t asking about your religion; I was condemning it.

All you’ve got to offer is more deflection, quoting Islamic fiction sites as a substitute for truth, and implying absurd tu quoques in defense of your genocidal pedophile.

Clearly, it’s Muhammad’s slavery of poor, little, prepubescent ‘Aisha that attracts you so.

Thanks for clearing that up, depraved wretch.

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

Thanks for mentioning of my religion prophet Muhammad pbuh,

Thanks for not denying that early marriage was acceptable and legalise even in America.

I am very suprise that you are condemning America for allowing and legalise earlier marriage. I hope you are not become double standard on this issue.

May god bless you and give you guidance.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Perhaps reading comprehension isn’t your game; I thoroughly rejected your nescient dissembling with:

“All you’ve got to offer is more deflection, quoting Islamic fiction sites as a substitute for truth, and implying absurd tu quoques in defense of your genocidal pedophile.”

Provide a legitimate source for fifty-year-old men “marrying” prepubescent nine-year-old children and its being endorsed by American society.

Even if you can, it makes the practice no less demonic, your genocidal pedophile Muhammad any less a demoniac, nor you any less a craven tool in service to evil.

jack
jack
8 years ago

Hi Santiago,

Thanks for mentioning my religi aon prophet Muhammad pbuh everyday more than Jesus.

Thanks for not denying that early marriage are legalise and allows in many parts of the world include America.

Thanks for not condemning that most part of the world allows and legalise early marriage.

One of purpose of early marriage is to avoid prohibited relationship.

May god bless you and give you guidance.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

You sacralize a genocidal pedophile.

bill james
bill james
8 years ago

The Muslim’s claim only applies to the M. E.? Good catch. We’ll see if he corrects himself, although, we know he won’t — you can tell by how many times he’s posting his lie.

Other facts about women living under the yoke of Islam:

-http://www.sociology.com/2013/05/circumcision-vs-female-genital-mutilation-fgm/ “For the most part, FGM removes the ability for women to enjoy sex as much as men, if at all. In fact FGM can make sex a forever painful and dangerous activity.”

-2/08 un.org/en/women/endviolence United Nations Report: Over 130 million girls and women, mainly in Muslims nations, have undergone FGM (Female Genital Mutilation); each year 2 million girls are subjected to FGM.

-6/14/10
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WorldNews/female-genital-cutting-affecting-young-girls-america/story?id=10859231 “Each day in Africa and Asia, more than 8,000 girls between infancy and age 15 undergo female genital cutting [FGM], an estimated total of three million girls annually.” The CDC estimates that between 150,000 to 200,000 girls in the United States may be forced to undergo FMG.

-4/22/12 Daily Telegraph, London: As many as 100,000 women
in Britain have undergone female genital mutilations with medics in the UK offering to carry out the illegal procedure on girls as young as 10 it has been reported.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  bill james

It was hard to find a source that wasn’t the same obvious propaganda piece posted at multiple sites. (Even Breitbart’s posted this nonsense uncritically as news from UPI.)

Despite Emirates 24|7’s trying to link the wife-beating rapist Muhammad with positive survey results, they let this slip in at the end: “For the index as a whole, the UAE ranked number one in the Middle East and 37th worldwide.”

http://www.emirates247.com/news/government/uae-is-world-s-no-1-in-respect-for-women-2014-04-27-1.547165

bill james
bill james
8 years ago

Thanks.
God bless the Internet.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros
8 years ago
Reply to  bill james

Absolutely. (That’s why Islam, the left, and other tyrants like China want to control it.)

bill james
bill james
8 years ago

If the Internet is lost, all is lost.

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

This lying POS muslim cites the UAE, population 9 million, as an illustration how fairly muslim men treat women. He’s lying through his muslim teeth:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/H… The UN’s Gender Empowerment Measure ranks nations by women’s equality: Muslim nations rank at the bottom.

Mike Hoffmann
Mike Hoffmann
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

I second that, but it’s not only the book which can not be changed, it’s also the doctrine in these people’s mind that you cannot erase anymore, they will have to be neutralized!

dazza
dazza
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hoffmann

It seems that the muzzrats use the young and naive ( brainwashed children ) to carry out the atrocities in the name of moo ham head ( A’liensnackbar) but the old goat shaggers never blow themselves up. ? They are the ones who mildly condemn if at all the filthy deeds committed from text in the book of evil,kooran !and say that they have no idea why these little goat humpers do what they do ! I know why. Brainwashed by sick old goat shaggers ! Not bad all the young men gone plenty of goat breath women and children to molest, in the name of moo ham head of course, and then kill the women, honourably of course, for not wanting the old goat shaggers jumping them or maybe acid in the face for looking at boys their own age ? Sick evil imaginary sky fairy worshippers!

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  dazza

Hi dazza,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

This fool muslim cites the UAE, population 9 million, as an illustration how fairly muslim men treat women. He’s lying through his muslim teeth:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/H… The UN’s Gender Empowerment Measure ranks nations by women’s equality: Muslim nations rank at the bottom.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hoffmann

Hi Mike,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

This muslim liar cites the UAE, population 9 million, as an illustration how fairly muslim men treat women. He’s lying through his muslim teeth:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/H… The UN’s Gender Empowerment Measure ranks nations by women’s equality: Muslim nations rank at the bottom.

baki
baki
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

Consider Islam a political, totalitarian, violent, exclusionary, imperialistic theocratic ideology. No religious rights to Islam. Islam is not a religion. Treat Islam equally as Nazism. Treat Moslems equally as Nazis.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  baki

Hi baki,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

This Muslim simpleton holds up the oil rich UAE, population
10 million people, as a evidence that Muslims are civilized.

Here’s what real evidence reveals about your vile religion, Muslim:
-http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_20072008_GEM.pdf The UN’s Gender Empowerment Measure ranks nations by women’s equality: Muslim nations rank at the bottom.

Excerpts from the United Nations sponsored 2002 Arab Human
Development Report (arab-hdr.org):
-About 65 million adult Arabs are illiterate, two thirds of them women.

-The United Nations Development Program (UNDP) includes GEM
(Gender Empowerment Measurement) which reveals that women suffer “a glaring deficit” in women’s empowerment. Among regions of the world the Arab region ranks next to last as measured by GEM.

-The number of illiterate people is still increasing, to the extent that Arab countries embark upon the twenty-first century burdened by over 60 million illiterate adults, the majority of whom are women.

-The utilization of Arab women’s capabilities through political and economic participation remains the lowest in the world.

-High maternal mortality (death during child birth) is a key health challenge facing most Arab countries.

-Other, more cultural behaviours common in the Arab world can also have an adverse health impact. These include intermarriage between
close relatives, promotion of early marriage, and female circumcision.

http://www.sociology.com/2013/05/circumcision-vs-female-genital-mutilation-fgm/ “For the most part, FGM removes the ability for women to enjoy sex as much as men, if at all. In fact FGM can make sex a forever painful and dangerous activity.”

2/08 un.org/en/women/endviolence United Nations Report: Over 130 million girls and women, mainly in Muslims nations, have undergone FGM (Female Genital Mutilation); each year 2 million girls are subjected to FGM.

6/14/10 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WorldNews/female-genital-cutting-affecting-young-girls-america/story?id=10859231
“Each day in Africa and Asia, more than 8,000 girls between infancy and
age 15 undergo female genital cutting [FGM], an estimated total of three
million girls annually.” The CDC estimates that between 150,000 to 200,000 girls in the United States may be forced to undergo FMG.

4/22/12 Daily Telegraph, London: As many as 100,000 women in
Britain have undergone female genital mutilations with medics in the UK
offering to carry out the illegal procedure on girls as young as 10 it has been reported.

Trust nothing Muslims say about their vile religion. ALL of them lie for the advancement of Islam:
-The Muslim doctrine of “Al-Taqiyah”: to dodge the threat; simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy; to infiltrate and destroy kafir [non-Muslim] countries. (Author Dr. Walid, Islamic University; Bharatiya Pragna, June 2000, vol. 6)

veritas
veritas
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

Then explain why Muhammed..who was a MAN..is being deified ?

veritas
veritas
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

And as for living in peace…please explain the peace that the 2200 hundred DEAD construction workers , who’ve died while constructing the facilities for the FIFA world cup…what peace do they have ? How is it that TWO workers died constructing for Socchi, but 2200 hundred have died in Dubai ? WHERE is the peace for their families ?

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

Hi No Fear,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study
comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn
good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night
time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest
undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary
education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners…

No Fear
No Fear
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

In UAE homosexuality is illegal, apostasy is illegal, stoning is legal, amputation is legal, eating during Ramadan is illegal for non muslims, flogging is legal.

According to Wiki :

The UAE ranks poorly in freedom indices measuring civil
liberties and political rights. The UAE is annually ranked as “Not
Free” in Freedom House’s annual Freedom in the World report, which measures civil liberties and political rights.[77] The UAE also ranks poorly in the annual Reporters without Borders’ Press Freedom Index.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  No Fear

Hi No Fear,

97% feel safe in UAE

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/97-feel-safe-in-uae
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance…Worship only one Almighty God without any partners…

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim

This muslim cretin cites the UAE, population 9 million, as an illustration how fairly muslim men treat women. He’s lying through his muslim teeth:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/H… The UN’s Gender Empowerment Measure ranks nations by women’s equality: Muslim nations rank at the bottom.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

Devout people are those MOST deserving of ridicule and contempt.
Saner spiritual people have realised what religion can do to them…

“You talk to God, you’re religious. God talks to you, you’re psychotic”.
– Doris Egan

Judy A. Johnson
Judy A. Johnson
8 years ago

You don’t like American law, guess what you are free to leave! We might not like what you preach but we will protect your right to say it, West Boro Baptist have their right to say what they wish, but we defend their right to say it because this means we retain the right to say what we want! Put o your BIG GIRL PANTIES, SUCK IT UP & DEAL WITH THAT or LEAVE!

farflung
farflung
8 years ago

Positive attitude, like it ,we must take the fight too them

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

“We might not like what you preach but we will protect your right to say it, “

Unless their preaching is to incite violence and subvert our nation’s security or laws. If the effects of such teaching results in acts of terrorism or an increase in crime and social unrest, then the authorities need to view these “preachers” as criminal conspirators and enemies of the state. And if this incitement to violence is based on the Koran–which it obviously is–then those teachings should not be afforded constitutional protection, because that would be condoning violence. My view, any organization–religious or otherwise–has the same obligation to civility and the law as the rest of us. No free passes for barbaric pagan superstitions.

If I wrote a “religious” book that called for the death or persecution of non-believers then I’m taking a big chance with that. If others act according to the dictates of my teachings to kill and torture others, then clearly I am culpable. And it’s the same with the islamic faith, which clearly calls for violence against non-muslims, and thousands are dying because of it. And these “preachers” either explicitly agree with it, or imply their assent, or are indifferent to their teaching’s ill-effects. Complicity does not have to be blatant, it can be implied, there’s legal precedent for that. To me, anyone that partakes of such a belief system, knowing the crimes that faith’s teaching inspires, bears some measure of moral or legal culpability, even if those acts are beyond the purview of current law.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

We must be careful about repressing speech, even their speech. The more these imams mouth their seditious drivel, the more the public can be made aware of the threat to our freedom. Perhaps we will have a conservative sweep in 2016 and we can have our law enforcement agencies start surveillance on the mosques. It is time to let them know that they are guests in our country, and they should either accept our system or leave.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

Yes, I appreciate that view. I’ve been saying for years, anjem does us a great service every time he opens his mouth. Gives those fence-sitting infidels a chance to hear the brutal truth about islam.

I’m not saying the goal should be to “repress” their speech, instead we should use it to build a case against them, on an individual basis where applicable and collectively if possible. Let them talk. And then we’ll use it against them to outlaw their fake religion and the hate and violence it teaches, condones, and encourages. I’m sure you would agree, any “preaching” that results in violence is something that needs to be addressed. There must come the time when we can no longer just let them provoke violence, we must act responsibly to prevent that incitement from producing results. So, yes, let them talk, but no more than is necessary to make our case.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Agree. I hope we can elect some pro-Constitution candidates in 2016. In the meantime, little art events to smoke them out will have to do.

aglowg2g
aglowg2g
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

Jeb Clinton or Hillary Bus

Stuart Taylor
Stuart Taylor
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Question – When they want to replace or even demand to replace the current legal system in any Western Country with their sharia laws, surely that is a serious action which is contrary to the Constitution of those Countries and paramount to sedition or the overthrow of the law and order of those countries. I am not a legal beagle but in my mind these people are acting or voicing treason against the state. Can the State act against them and what is the punishment a fixed to their contrary voice. I know each Country has different Constitutions. When they make their oath on becoming American Citizens don’t they swear to uphold the Constitution. Surely if they then demand Sharia law instead of the Current Constitutional laws then they have automatically violated their oath and therefore they should have their American citizenship revoked and sent back to the trash hole where they came from. Any input on this?

Dianne Johnson
Dianne Johnson
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

When their goal is ‘culture jihad’, I don’t believe they will willingly leave!

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Dianne Johnson

Hi Dianne,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

Eric Allen Bell proposed Islam be stripped of its status as a religion in the USA, thus it would lose all the loopholes being exploited by muslim-nazis under the 1st amendment.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  defcon 4

Sounds like a good plan. They are a seditious, anti-Western organization, not a belief system. Our ancestors would not have allowed them to assemble during WWII, in our countries, carrying signs that said “Fascism for UK” or “Fascism for US”. What is wrong with our leaders?

livingengine
livingengine
8 years ago
Reply to  defcon 4

Who cares what Eric Allen Bell says? He is a complete fraud. https://www.facebook.com/groups/StopIslamizationofAmerica/permalink/614316185264656/

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

I think you could write a Crusader book, calling for infidels to rise up and have a Reconquista to take our country back. I would defend your right to publish that. I believe that, to be incitement, you have to be in the presence of the persons you are inciting and your words have to result in imminent violence (like “burn that mf down” in Ferguson).
Of course, if the imams are using the mosques to provide financial or recruiting support for jihad, that violates our anti-terrorism laws.

clearsighted
clearsighted
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

Sandra, your understanding of the First Amendment is correct. The requirements that the persons being incited be physically in the presence of the speaker and the requirement for the threat of violence to be imminent are intended to limit the infringement of speech to the bare minimum. So, writing a book that says that all Jews should be killed is not sufficiently immediate. But standing up in front of a crowd and saying to those present: “You, you and you; come with me and let’s go kill some Jews.” that would not be protected speech.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  clearsighted

Ya know, I don’t want to get into a big debate about this, but I’m not sure I would agree with that. I’m just a dumb truck driver, so I could easily be wrong. You said this:

The requirements that the persons being incited be physically in the presence of the speaker and the requirement for the threat of violence to be imminent are intended to limit the infringement of speech to the bare minimum. So, writing a book that says that all Jews should be killed is not sufficiently immediate.

Even a glance at Wikipedia would be enough to instill much doubt about that. It’s clear to me that a person NOT be physically present to qualify for incitement:

The incitement can take any form (words or deeds). It may be addressed to a particular person or group or to the public at large.

And sorry, but I don’t understand your “sufficiently immediate.” Any “immediacy” comes with receiving the inciteful message. The message itself could be quite old, but if it promises some reward, like money or going to a heaven filled with virgins, then that might be considered incitement, in my lay person’s view. Apparently that’s what incitement is in a nutshell, a “suggestion, proposal or request [that] was accompanied by an implied promise of reward.” If I write you a letter offering 10k to kill my wife (I’m not married:)) and you get that 2 weeks later, is that “immediate” enough? How ’bout a month? 3 months? Is there a time limit on incitement that I don’t know about, a certain number of minutes or days?

Anyway, this has sparked my interest in “incitement.” I’m going to look into it for fun. If you know I’m wrong then please get back to me, it won’t embarrass my truck driver ego if I’m wrong.

clearsighted
clearsighted
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Jack,

The issue in First Amendment cases is always the balancing of the freedom of speech against the possibility of physical harm to others. The attempt is to come up with a solution which infringes upon the freedom of speech the least. That’s why you can’t yell “Fire!” In a crowded theater. The courts have held that the risk of imminent physical harm to a stampeding crowd outweighs the minimal First Amendment right the speaker may have in falsely screaming “Fire!”

By contrast to the immediate and imminent risk of harm to the people in the theater, the more remote the chance of harm is, the less likely it is that the court will limit speech. Therefore, Nazis marching through Skokie Illinois in front of thousands of Holocaust survivors is permitted. Sometimes, the court will actually impose a distance limitation as a means of balancing freedom of speech and the imminence of physical harm as in the Westborough Baptist Church case, where the court held that the speech was protected by the First Amendment but imposed a 100 yard distance requirement between the members of the church and the families burying their dead. The distance requirement was intended to eliminate the possibility of direct physical contact and immediate physical harm.

Some other exceptions that have been allowed by the courts:

1. Where the speech constitutes a crime all by itself. Example “I’m going to kill you!” This constitutes the crime of threats and is not protected. Another example: “if you kill my wife I will pay you $50,000.” This represents the crime of conspiracy to commit murder. This would also not be protected speech.

2. Where the speech constitutes an assault or intimidation. Example burning a cross on a black family’s lawn is not protected as it constitutes an act of intimidation of the black family coupled with the very real threat of harm to that family. By contrast, the very same case that held that you can’t burn a cross on a black family’s lawn also held that the burning of a cross at a KKK rally is protected speech.

As you can see, the overriding concern is the immediacy of the threat of physical harm which may result from the speech. So, when it comes to incitement, the problem faced by the court is where to draw the line. If the incitement takes place under circumstances where the speaker and the listeners are physically within each other’s presence, the court is more likely to restrict the speech because the risk that the incitement will lead to violence is immediate and imminent. On the other hand, if the statements which are deemed to constitute incitement are printed in a book the immediacy and imminence of the potential harm is far less and the speech is much more likely to be found to be protected. The courts are generally also mindful of the fact that if we allow books to be banned because someone deems the speech of offensive, where do we stop?

You raise a very interesting question regarding the definition of incitement as a “suggestion, proposal or request [that] was accompanied by an implied promise of reward.” Let’s consider this in light of what I said above. Here, let’s consider a magazine article which says: “if you build a pressure cooker bomb and use it to blow up runners at a marathon we will pay you $1 million.” A strong argument can be made that this statement constitutes the crime of solicitation of murder and therefore would not be protected speech. On the other hand, what if the statement were: “if you build a pressure cooker bomb and use it to blow up runners at a marathon you will go straight to heaven where you will find 72 virgins.” It is far less likely that this speech will be restricted as it represents a statement of belief as opposed to a promise of a quid pro quo from the speaker.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  clearsighted

Thanks for the thoughtful response, you articulated your views well. I do wish I had used a better example than murder for hire, I think my point could have been better made. Anyway you have a lot to digest here. I’ll have to “fav” it and get back to it in more detail when time permits. I do see at least a couple weak spots in your thinking. I’ll mention one here. You said:

“…if you build a pressure cooker bomb and use it to blow up runners at a marathon you will go straight to heaven where you will find 72 virgins.” It is far less likely that this speech will be restricted as it represents a statement of belief as opposed to a promise of a quid pro quo from the speaker.” [bold mine]

I can’t agree with that. The minimum criteria for incitement doesn’t seem to require a promise of tangible goods, my earlier “nutshell” definition was too limited in scope to include all possibilities. Here’s a relevant quote:

The inciter must intend the others to engage in the behavior constituting the offence, including any consequences which may result, and must know or believe (or possibly suspect) that those others will have the relevant mens rea. In R v. Curr (1967) 1 AER 478 the defendant incited women to commit offences under the Family Allowances Act 1945 but, because the prosecution did not prove that the women had the mens rea to constitute the offence, the conviction was quashed.

It seems to be irrelevant as to whether there’s a promise of goods or some “statement of belief” as a motive. All that matters apparently is that the inciter intends to engage others in criminal behavior and that the “others” have the relevant mens rea. So I think you may be wrong with your opinion that “It is far less likely that this speech will be restricted as it represents a statement of belief as opposed to a promise of a quid pro quo from the speaker.” Because it doesn’t matter if the incitement included a promise of goods or a statement of belief, only that there was an intent to engage a person(s) in crime, and that person had the relevant mens rea of the actual criminal act. I know you were only considering my own scenario, but you did offer a definitive opinion that I think is wrong. If that sounded sassy, I didn’t mean it to be. :))

Anyway, it’s interesting. I shouldn’t try to debate things I know nothing about. But it can be a good way to learn. If I can think of something smart to say I’ll get back to you. 🙂

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Incitement
>

clearsighted
clearsighted
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

You can not rely on British common law cases in analyzing the U.S. Constitution. British judges have only recently begun to grapple with laws that are binding on Parliament the way the Constitution is on Congress. Until the UK joined the EU the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy was the rule. Parliament could do anything and the courts had to accept it. Here, in the U.S., on the other hand, it has been accepted for over 200 years that our courts can strike down laws that are in conflict with the Constitution.

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Thanks for the interesting discussion Jack & Clearsighted.

farflung
farflung
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Your occupation does not speak to your intellect. Your words are powerful and show your intellectual superiority. The world needs more with the ability to think, to discern, and make rational decisions. Keep up the good work.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  farflung

Thanks, you just made my morning. I don’t agree with your praise, but I’ll still take it. 🙂

Helena Beck
Helena Beck
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

I couldn’t agree more a great post..

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  Helena Beck

I’m a big fan of people who agree with me. 😉 I also appreciate those who can prove me wrong if they use reasoned argument. But really, how often does that happen? :))

aglowg2g
aglowg2g
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Thank God you have the right to say that

Barry Drey
Barry Drey
8 years ago

From what I hear, those black garbage bags don’t wear panties…..

Dusty Koellhoffer
Dusty Koellhoffer
8 years ago

By imposing Sharia.
Islamic reform is not realistic. The spread of Islam must be stopped!
http://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2015/02/18/the-final-solution-to-islamic-terrorism-and-the-jihad/

Lilithwept
Lilithwept
8 years ago

Oh Islam is reforming all right. Its reforming right back tomwhatbISIS calls the “Pure Islam” of the 6th century time of Mohammed! Unlike Christianity which got less restrictive and controlling when it Reformed, Islam is getting more restrictive and more controlling. And here’s the BIG thing, it is going back to the expansionist Islam that happened under the first Caliphs that ended up with Islam conquering Christian areas and even attempting to push into Europe!! The gola has ALWAYS been for Muslims to fight until the entire world is islam, or the few Christian or Jewish holdouts would be ” paying Jizya and feeling themselves subdued and humiliated” as Dhimmies. And you onlybhave to lookmatvthe Ottoman Empire to see how horribly Dhimmies were treated under Islam.
Islam can and is beingbspread by all sorts of means in America today. From what Geert Wilders calls “Lawfare” warefare using our own western laws and tolerance against us, to immigrating in huge numbers to force up the total Muslim population. ( Google what happens in a country as the muslim population climbs! Its horrifying) to deliberately denying women any birthcontrol,at all so to have large numbers of muslim children ( the Sharia forbids birthcontrol for the purpose of preventing large families, but is is tolerated if it is spoken of as being used to space your children, to give the woman a break from breeding for alittle while before she goes right ack to popping out muslim babies) to muslim using their law degrees, recieved at our universities to join organizations like CAIR. Then these lawyers and CAIR encourage muslims to bring lawsuits against people who speakmout against Islam, ruining thier lives with expensive lawsuits, and legal harrasment. These organizations also use their influence and lawyers to get muslims into any position of authority they can, from federal goverment to local goverment, police departments etc. And yhere is the taqqiyah, yhe lieing, the we are all Children of Abraham movement where muslims try to convince us their moon god Allah is the God of the old testament and of the Torah.(more sick lies)….. Islam is determined to make America an Islamic country and they are making long term plans to do that.

Go to,political Islam website, listen to Bob Warner and his http://www.voice4voiceless.org plan to fight Islam in a new more effective way that anyone can do. You dont have to be frustrated about whats happening with Islam in the US now YOU can help fight it!!!

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Lilithwept

Hi Lilithwept,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

michelletherese
michelletherese
8 years ago

He, the Imam, speaks with such a thick foreign accent he needs sub-titles. Obviously he is ok with blasphemy laws ~ it is apparent he grew up with blasphemy laws in some Muslim country outside of the West! And lacks a working knowledge of how America and Western civilization works! But we are supposed to bow to this foreign man and his terrible foreign alien laws and impose these laws on America??

Jim
Jim
8 years ago

Hi michelle,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

IronMaiden
IronMaiden
8 years ago

What are we having thrust upon us now? The disrespect police? I’ll disrespect whatever I chose thanks!

wildoutlaw4440
wildoutlaw4440
8 years ago

Islam in there prophet Muhammad is garbage sharia law is a joke you live in this country your life is governed around the BILL OF RIGHTS and THE CONSTITUTION
you don’t want to adhere to these laws catch the next ship or plane and leave please.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  wildoutlaw4440

Hi wildoutlaw4440,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

Michael Copeland
Michael Copeland
8 years ago

Respect. Oh yes, respect.
We teach our children to respect rattlesnakes and poison ivy.
“The only law we must respect and apply is the Sharia”, said Tariq Ramadan, adviser to David Cameron.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6377-tariq-ramadan-respect

Michael Copeland
Michael Copeland
8 years ago

In Garland, Texas, two armed muslim attackers came to do jihad killings.
Why? To impose Sharia law on Texans.

In Houston, Texas, a Christian woman from Pakistan is being assisted with medical treatment. Muslims had poured acid on her face and down her throat FOR BEING A CHRISTIAN. That was a sufficient “offence” to them.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6da_1389087899
The Koran, part of Sharia law, says “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” (9:5).

“Hurt feelings” are a scam, a decoy.
The issue, as Pamela says, is control.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago

Hi Michael Copeland,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

David Sinclair
David Sinclair
8 years ago

Disrespecting especially high people? He’s talking about Muhammad.

ConcernedCitizen999
ConcernedCitizen999
8 years ago

Is Satan still pushing the BIG LIE that Islam is a religion?
“Highly devout people” indeed. HA !
Well… they don’t call Satan the “Great Deceiver” for nothing.

Jim
Jim
8 years ago

Hi ConcernCitizen999,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

Louise Mitchell
Louise Mitchell
8 years ago

These people are no more holy than I am including the (and this is where I could be excommunicated from the church) NWO Pope.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

I miss Ratzinger.

Louise Mitchell
Louise Mitchell
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

The last pope left because of what is happening now.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

The future must belong to Mo bashers.

Marko hersh
Marko hersh
8 years ago

Islam and spirituality have nothing to do with each other

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  Marko hersh

Hi Marko hersh,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

LD McClellan
LD McClellan
8 years ago

Calling non Muslims “infidel” is to unjustly assume that Islam is “the only true religion” because it can’t be proved and calling non Muslims “kafir” is blasphemy and slander of the worst nature and also unjustly condemns non Muslims. There isn’t a Muslim on earth that can prove that Allah exists and therefore justify calling Muhammad a true prophet which means that speaking of and treating non Muslims as they do is totally unjustified making Muslims guilty of murder and of all the other crimes that they falsely claim the right to do and that gives non Muslims the perfectly just permission to retaliate in kind.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  LD McClellan

‘There isn’t a Muslim on earth that can prove that Allah exists and therefore justify calling Muhammad a true prophet….’

This is why they try to equate their rock ‘allah’ with the Almighty God, the Creator and place the incestuous, paedophile, murdering, pirate for profit, moohamhead in the ‘line of the prophets’.
mooslims say that they “respect all prophets including Jesus” which statement is offensive, provocative and blasphemous to Christians, as Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God. John 1 :1.

james
james
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

Hi Lacouray Too,

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

A lot of Priest, Preachers and Catholic Bishop enter Islam,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam – Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest –
all entering Islam
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  james

What’s your point?
Why are you hiding in an article that was reproduced days ago?
If you believe that you have a point worth debating why not come into a recent article on the forum instead of hiding your sorry mooslem AH in an old article?

Ian
Ian
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

Allah is written as God in Arabic Bible. There are about 15 millions
Arab Christian in middle east using this Bible.

[Genesis1:1 – English Bible – King James Version]

“In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . ”

[Genesis 1:1 – Arabic transliteration]

“Fee al-badi’ khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . ”

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

A lot of Priest, Preacher and Catholic Bishop has enter Islam after study AlQuran and Islam deeply,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes, his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest – all entering Islam.

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest
accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with
Muslims.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  Ian

As I told you above; What’s your point?
Why are you hiding in an article that was reproduced days ago?
If you believe that you have a point worth debating why not come into a recent article on the forum instead of hiding your sorry mooslem AH in an old article?
You cannot fool me with you shiite.
The arabic word for god is ilah.
Your god’s name is allah.
The God of the Bible is not your god.
Your god is moohamhead (pigs be upon him) who is NOWHERE mentioned in the Bible.
Stop hiding your coward AH.
I will not answer you again.

BraveOnMyKeyboard
BraveOnMyKeyboard
8 years ago

The definition of “spiritually high” people must exclude those who encourage: murder, rape, deception, taxing unbelievers, child abuse, misogyny, brutal punishments, silencing truth, etc. Otherwise they are fraud’s and their murderous speech deserves disrespect and correction. The law should continue to support those who call out the dangerous frauds.

joker
joker
8 years ago

This Imam should f….off to the sandpit whence he came from. What a joker. What the hell is he doing in the US anyway.

james
james
8 years ago
Reply to  joker

Hi joker,

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

A lot of Priest, Preachers and Catholic Bishop enter Islam,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam – Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest –
all entering Islam
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

“I think there needs to be a change to the law where people do not disrespect especially spiritually high people,” Imam Mobasher Ahmed said.”

Hey, monkey brain! I’m spiritually high, and I say you’re an idiot! and your fake religion is not a true revelation of god, but a farcical invention by ignorant men! that it promotes violence in the name of god! persecutes innocents! abuses women! promotes religious discrimination and social discord! that your sharia is tyrannical and oppressive! that its core tenet is WAR not peace! that the culture islam produces is as ignorant and depraved as your faith! and encourages child abuse!–stop marrying children, they’re not play things for your sexual urges!

Who told me all this? My god of course, after all, I’m “spiritually high.” According to you my opinion should be respected. So I say, get out of America. We don’t need your depraved “religion” in our country. It’s hurting too many people and its JIHAD intentions are a threat to our country’s freedoms and values.

ThisIsSparta
ThisIsSparta
8 years ago

here in Canada, we are in the midst of an election, with one candidate , Justin Trudeau, leader of the Liberal party who converted to Islam.
https://www.facebook.com/gaysfightingislam?fref=ts

ConcernedCitizen999
ConcernedCitizen999
8 years ago
Reply to  ThisIsSparta

Trillions of dollars in oil money allow the Saudis to buy a lot of treason.

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago

This is really why pi$$lam is spreading across the entire world. Politicians, LEO’s and judges have been bought off at the highest echelons of government.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  ThisIsSparta

OMG. Does Trudeau have a snowball’s chance in hell?

John Canfield
John Canfield
8 years ago

Not just no, But HELL NO! Pack sand and get over it… or leave!

james
james
8 years ago
Reply to  John Canfield

Hi John,

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

A lot of Priest, Preachers and Catholic Bishop enter Islam,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam – Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest –
all entering Islam
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

John Canfield
John Canfield
8 years ago

Too bad, He should learn to be tolerant of free speech rather than force his Sharia Laws on American’s we LOVE our FREEDOMS!

BraveOnMyKeyboard
BraveOnMyKeyboard
8 years ago

AFDI: a group of highly devout people. Let us respect them. They are special in their quest to allow spiritual, intellectual, and (harmless) physical freedom in spite of masses of cowards who have submitted to their losses.

margstar
margstar
8 years ago

Who the hell CARES what he wants?!!! If you don’t like our laws…GET THE HELL OUT!

ToastedHam
ToastedHam
8 years ago

Mr. hand puppet Imam Mobasher Ahmed said you must respect Moo-Hammad. Or else!!

Jim
Jim
8 years ago
Reply to  ToastedHam

Hi ToastedHam,

On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world. UAE has successfully implemented Islamic Law.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/

Thousands of non muslims working in UAE in Oil and Gas Industries and they earn good pay. Thanks for muslim countries that provide jobs for non muslim.

Beer, nightclub and porks are available everywhere for non muslim. At night time a lot of people went to parks for jogging in peace.

The global Social Progress Index also ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.

The report was produced by a team of prominent international economists led by Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School, as part of an initiative launched by the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council.

Muslim and non muslim respect each other and live in peace in UAE.

May God Bless You and Give You Guidance..Worship only one almighty god without any partners

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

This ugly, seditious bastard needs to be deported immediately, as does any other person who would abridge our Constitutional rights.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

These losers really think a lot of themselves. If he is “holy”, I’m the Virgin Mary.

Tyrehl Byk
Tyrehl Byk
8 years ago

Seriously Pam??

The USA has a population that is roughly one half women and
even then it’s been impossible to get the ERA passed.

You would have us get all freaked out about the nut-jobs
that make up only one half of one percent of our population who want to change the first
amendment?

When you repeatedly
bring this sort of thing up and paint it as an ominous threat to our freedom,
you only succeed in looking as unscrewed as they are

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  Tyrehl Byk

You’re either a mooslim or an idiot which is basically the same thing.

Lilithwept
Lilithwept
8 years ago
Reply to  Tyrehl Byk

The problem is not how many muslims do,or do not do violence. Its the fact that their religious texts tells them to be good muslims, and following Mohammed’s example ( called Sunnah) that doing violence, like killing those that mock Mohammed or those that apostate and leave Islam, and to kill Christians and Jews.
Have you read the Quran? Or read anynof the Hadits? Or reqd the Sirat Rasul Allah (sirat for short)? These are the core texts of Islam, now for the first time in 1400 years, available in English and easily accessible for the most part, online. So now you dont have to read, write and speak archaic Classical Arabic to be able to understand what Islam believes. Did you know what Most if not all memorize and recite the 5 daily prayers in Classical Arabic? Did you know that most if not all muslims memorize the Quran verses in Classical Arabic and dont really understand what the verses say? Did you kmow that in the Quran 5-101-102 ” o ye who believe! ask not questions anoutbthings which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some before you did ask such questions and on that account lostbtheir faith. So Islam doesnt want its believers to ask any questions about Islam as Christians and Mews have questioned their religions for century.
Go read these Islamic texts for yourself. Then come back and look me up….

Tyrehl Byk
Tyrehl Byk
8 years ago
Reply to  Lilithwept

My comment wasn’t about anyone’s ideology. I was pointing at Pamela’s annoying habit of fanning a false and hysterical paranoia about an imagined threat to the right of free speech in this country.

The First Amendment isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon, as
anyone with a basic high school education would have learned in U.S. government class.

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago
Reply to  Tyrehl Byk

Screw you ahole. The muslim-nazis and their collaborators are practically drooling over the opportunity to pass hate speech laws that will make any criticism of pi$$lam a crime — as it is in vast swathes of Europe/Eurabia and every, last islamic hellhole state on the face of this earth today.

Tyrehl Byk
Tyrehl Byk
8 years ago
Reply to  defcon 4

Both you and Brave have missed the point completely. In this country anyone has the right to attempt to change the law. Wanting to change the law, and actually having the number of hearts and minds necessary to do so are two distinctly different things.

While making changes to local laws can be a somewhat simple process, any such outcome that would violate the First Amendment would be certain to meet an immediate court challenge and be struck down as unconstitutional.

To gut freedom of speech in this country, the First Amendment would need to be struck down or amended. Even if every one of the 6-7 million Muslims in this country were to choose to act right now with a single voice to try and do so, their numbers wouldn’t have even the wildest chance at changing the First Amendment.

So you see, Pamela Geller is trying to get you to pee your
pants over a danger that simply does not exist.

It is called a straw man argument, and is the tool of a propagandist, and not of any hero that I know of.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Tyrehl Byk

//”So you see, Pamela Geller is trying to get you to pee yourpants over a danger that simply does not exist.”//

I disagree. first of all, the world is so much interconnected nowadays, Islam is a mighty religion, with 1.6 billion adherents, and 56 countries identifying themselves as “Islamic” in the OIC; Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.

No, a danger is a danger, and a threat is a threat. Especially this one. Remember, deliberately ignoring a threat is gross negligence of duty and has led to many catastrophe’s.

It behooves people like you, if you really believe what you say, especially if it is a no-brainer. to take sides, tell us here that YOU are not neutral, but committed to the democratic side.

Instead of trying to disarm or confuse the defense of what you yourself purportedly are in favor of.

Now you are HELPING the other, dictatorial, side. WHY?

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago
Reply to  Tyrehl Byk

All it would take would be 4 members of the SCOTUS to rule that a hate speech law prohibiting criticism of pi$$lam is not protected by the 1st amendment to make your argument moot.

BraveOnMyKeyboard
BraveOnMyKeyboard
8 years ago
Reply to  Tyrehl Byk

Tyrehl, but threats and acts of violence cause the masses to fear using their rights, effectively losing them. It’s happening around the world and in recent history.

bill james
bill james
8 years ago
Reply to  Lilithwept

“Go read these Islamic texts for yourself. Then come back and look me up.”?

It’s not Islamic texts by which we conclude that Islam is a scourge upon mankind, it’s the primitive brutality Muslims inflict on those who oppose Islam TODAY, you lying Muslim:

-http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists 27 of the FBI’s 29 most wanted terrorists are Muslim.

-wikipedia has a list of 144 terrorist organizations officially designated as terrorist by various Nations. 124 of them are motivated by religion – 75% of those are Muslim.

-http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm The State Department has a list of 56 officially designated terrorist
organizations: 43 of them are Muslim, one is Christian, the rest are non-religious in their purpose.

-Bing/Google search “civil wars in the world” and determine who the combatants are. The results show that Muslims are involved in 75% to nearly 90% of them, depending on the study. Muslims fight against all religions and cultures, worldwide.
Muslims fight in China, Russia, Bosnia, Cyprus, Macedonia, Israel, Pakistan, India, Indonesia-Ambon & Halmarhera, Côte d’Ivoire, Kashmir, Algeria, Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kurdistan, Kirghizia, Nigeria, Philippines, Somalia, Turkey, Chechnya, Sudan, Yemen, Thailand, Uganda, Dagestan, Azerbaijan, Mali, Chad, Syria, Iran, Libya, Bangladesh and East Timor.

Since 9/11 Muslim terrorists have killed and maimed innocent people in India, the Sudan, Algeria, New York, Pakistan, Israel, Russia, Chechnya, the Philippines, Indonesia, Nigeria, England, Thailand, Spain, Egypt, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Morocco, Yemen, Arkansas, France, Uzbekistan, Gaza, Tunisia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mauritania, Kenya, Eritrea, Syria, Somalia, California, Kuwait, Utah, Virginia, Ethiopia, Illinois, Georgia, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Louisiana, Texas, Tanzania, Illinois, Australia, Pennsylvania, Belgium, Denmark, East Timor, Mississippi, Qatar, Maryland, Tajikistan, New Jersey, Ohio, the Netherlands, Afghanistan, Chad, Canada, China, Nepal, the Maldives, Argentina, Mali, Angola, the Ukraine, Uganda, North Carolina, Germany, Arizona, Lebanon, Iran, Kazakhstan, Sweden, Colorado, Norway, Greece, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Scotland, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Cameroon and Massachusetts. (To confirm each one: Google search, for example, “Terrorist attacks in Boston”)

You are not human.

Mxpctlk
Mxpctlk
8 years ago

I believe islam is a radical hate ideology.

james
james
8 years ago
Reply to  Mxpctlk

Hi Mxpctlk,

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

A lot of Priest, Preachers and Catholic Bishop enter Islam,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam – Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest –
all entering Islam

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

Mxpctlk
Mxpctlk
8 years ago
Reply to  james

Nice try. You wrap a hate-filled political ideology of conquest and domination with a veneer of theology – and you do it by commandeering bits and pieces of Christianity and Judaism.

I’ve read your koran, sura and hadiths. Islam is evil and the work of satan. Mohammed himself and many contemporaries thought he was possessed – and there’s no doubt in my mind he was indeed. Wake up. You follow the false teachings of a false prophet.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Mxpctlk

Hi Mxpctlk,

AlQuran protect human life :

“ He who kills a soul unless it be (in legal punishment) for murder or for causing disorder and corruption on the earth will be as if he had killed all humankind; and he who saves a life will be as if he had saved the lives of all humankind.”
( The Qur’an, Al-Ma’idah, 5:32)

AlQuran protect and appreciate woman :

“And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women.” [Noble Quran 2:228]

“O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit
women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them – except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring
about through it a great deal of good.” [Noble Quran 4:19]

“They (your wives) are your garment and you are a
garment for them.” [Noble Quran 2:187]

Bible and terror :

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the
girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.
(Numbers 31:17-18)

“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not
want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

Now the house was full of … about three thousand men and women … And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God .. strengthen me … that I may be at once avenged
of the Philistines for my two eyes … and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life. Judges 16:27-30

Women
Abused In Bible :

Women Shall Not Speak

“Let your
women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them
to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith
the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their
husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the
church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Women’s Sorrow

“Unto
the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy
conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire
shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis
3:16)

Comment

Not only does the Woman get blamed for
the Fall, but God decides to multiply her sorrow, plus, she must
submit to her husband like a slave.

Rip Up Pregnant
Women

“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up.”
(Hosea 13:16)

“Give me any plague, but the plague of the
heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.” (Eccles.
25:13)

Women in the Bible are considered evil

“Of the
woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.”
(Eccles. 25:22)

Wives, Submit Yourselves!

“Wives,
submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the
husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the
church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is
subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in
everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

Wife Like Slaves ?

Stone
The Woman!

“If a man be found lying with a woman married to
an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;”
(Deuteronomy 22:22)

“Then ye shall bring them both out unto
the gate of that city, and ye shall
stone them with stones that
they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and
the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou
shalt put away evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)

Silence
The Woman!

“Let the women learn in silence with all
subjection. But I suffer not a woman
to teach, nor to usurp
authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam
was first
formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being
deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Cut
Off Her Hand!

“When men strive together one with another,
and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out
of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and
taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine
eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Female
Births Get Penalty

“Speak unto the children of Israel,
saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then
she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the
separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.” (Leviticus
12:2)

“But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be
unclean two weeks, as in her
separation: and she shall continue in
the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.” (Leviticus
12:5)

Raping And Killing

“Every one that is found
shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined
unto them
shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed
to
pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and
their wives
ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)

Birth of Woman
Is A Loss

The Catholic Bible states explicitly that:


The birth of a daughter is a loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

Woman
Unclean for two weeks for giving birth to a female child as compared
to seven days of a male child

“…If a woman have conceived
seed, and born a man child: then she shall be
unclean seven
days…but if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two
weeks…” (Leviticus 12:2-5)

May God Bless You and Give You
Guidance…Worship only one Almighty God without partners…follow
the Greatest Commandment..

Mxpctlk
Mxpctlk
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

Nice try again, except that Christians are aligned with the teachings of Jesus, which are contrary to the random violent verses you quote out of context. Your ideology is aligned with mohammed and any “peaceful” koranic verses are at odds with his teaching and example.

That’s quite a dichotomy: Christians aligned with Jesus’ teachings – muslims aligned with mohammed’s.

Think about it. Your prophet was ruled by hate, lust, greed and power. Jesus was the Son of God and driven by the desire to save all souls – even yours.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Mxpctlk

Hi Mxpctlk,
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God
apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and
‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor
children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the
expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one
who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son
is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term.
In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13,
where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’
and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of
servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus
and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of
the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely
saying that he is God’s servant.

Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form
to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not
based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not
need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and
forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This
is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that
are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive
without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come
before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed,
the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all
humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is
none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the
earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah
45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance
sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all
places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter
cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts
speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief
that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus.
What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death
brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment
of biblical prophecy.

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the
incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that
God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let
us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to
his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of
flesh? During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails,
and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in
ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly
human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet,
if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any
claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God,
even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered
God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not
die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’
(Malachi 3:6)

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he
could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was
not truly human.

Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’
(Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you
yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He
will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has
appointed’ (Acts
17:31)

‘the
man Christ Jesus’ (Tim.
2:5)

The
Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a
son of man’ (Numbers
23:19)

The
Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of
man.’
‘so will the son of man be’
(Matthew 12:40)

‘For
the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew
16:27)

‘until
they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew
28)

‘But
so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark
2:10)

‘because
he is the son of man’
(John 5:27)

In
the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job
25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

Since
God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of
a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’,
he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of
confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son
of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a
‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The
Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who
had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good?
No one is good except God alone.’
(Luke 18:19)

And
he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There
is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.’ (Matthew
19:17)

Jesus
did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling
people that he was God, he would have complimented the man.
Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus
denied he was God.

The
Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater
than I’ (John
14:28)
‘My
father is greater than all.’ (John
10:29)

Jesus
can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief
that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear
words from Jesus.

Jesus
never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray,
say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke
11:2)

‘In
that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the
Father in my name.’
(John 16:23)

‘The
hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the
Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship
him.’ (John
4:23)

If
Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself
Since he
didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens,
therefore, he was not God.

Jesus
worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only
true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’
(John 17:3)

‘he
continued all night in prayer to God.’
(Luke 6:12)
‘Just
as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew
20:28)

How
did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and
prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew
26:39)

‘During
the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and
petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him
from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’
(Hebrews
5:7)

Who
was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in
tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or
insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a
resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’
Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a
clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The
Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True
God:

“It
is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a
Way that is straight.”
(Quran 3:51)

Disciples
did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the
Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty
years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period,
they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood
up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men
of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by
God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you
through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts
2:22)

For
Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed
in Matthew 12:18)
‘The
God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has
glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts
3:13)
‘God
raised up his servant’ (Acts
3:26)

When
faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must
obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’
(Acts
5:29-30)

The
disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke
11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they
raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign
Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea,
and everything in them.’ (Acts
4:24)

‘your
holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts
4:27)
‘of
Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts
4:30)

‘I
am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran
19:30)

The
Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant,
whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt
12:18)
Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The
Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘The son
can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’
(John 5:19)

‘I
can of mine own self do nothing.’
(John 5:30)

The
Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God
and
that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in
what he could do:

‘But
when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who
had given such authority to men.’ (Matt.
9:8)

‘a
man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which
God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts
2:22)

‘he
went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the
devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts
10:38)

If
Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the
miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that
it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is
greater than Jesus.

Also,
Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when
Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the
first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark
8:22-26).

Once
a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up
behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed.
But Jesus had no idea who touched him:

‘At
once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned
around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark
5:30)

‘He
could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick
people and heal them.’ (Mark
6:5)

Quite
obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The
power of miracles was not within Jesus.

The
Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God
,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be
strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If
Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.

‘An
angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him – in the
garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke
22:43)

‘Then
the devil left him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to
Him’ (Mark.
1:13)

‘And
he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and he
was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’
(Mark 1:13)

The
Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my
will but Yours be done.’ (Luke
22:42)

‘I
do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.’ (John
5:30)

‘For
I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him
that sent me.’
(John 6:38)

Are
some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and less than equal,
to other members? Even though they have different wills (‘I
do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the
others’ commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus
admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the
Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should
one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the
will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have
the exact same will?

The
Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who
testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John
8:17-18:)

‘Do
not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.’
(John
14:1)

If
Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s testimony as
separate from his own.

The
Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to
realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the
woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1
Corinthians 11:3)

‘When
he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him
who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1
Corinthians 15:28)

Bible
says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise
& does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all
wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding
is infinite.’ (Psalms
147:5)

‘And
Jesus increased in wisdom.’
(Luke 2:52)

God
does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although he was a son,
he learned obedience’ (Heb.
5:8)

Jesus
had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is infinite. Since Jesus
did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the
God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.

‘No
one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor
the son, but only the Father.’
(Mark 13:32)

Bible
says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be tempted
’tempted
in every way – just as we are’ (Heb.
4:15)
‘for
God cannot be tempted by evil’
(James 1:13)
Since
God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible
says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from himself
‘So
Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who
sent me.’
(John 7:16)

Jesus
could not have said this if he were God because the doctrine would
have been his.

Bible
says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that
Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God
is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term
applies only to God.

Bible
says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the
Father.’
(John 6:57)
Jesus

cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.

Bible
says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given
unto me.’ (Matt
28:18)
God
is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not
be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be
God.

Bible
says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father
hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John
8:28)
‘The
Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’
(John 12:49)
‘I
have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John
15:10)

No
one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing and would owe
His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus
cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the
commander and the commanded are not one.

Bible
says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus
both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts
2:36)
‘Lord’
is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus
are called ‘Lord.’ For example:

1)
property owners (Matt.
20:8)
2)
heads of households (Mark
13:35)
3)
slave owners (Matt.
10:24)
4)
husbands (1
Pet. 3:6)
5)
a son called his father Lord (Matt.
21:30)
6)
the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts
25:26)
7)
Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt.
27:63)

‘Lord’
is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word is kurios)
is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the
Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was
‘made’ Lord would make no sense.

Bible
says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was
made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’
(Hebrews 2:9)

God,
the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own creation, but
Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible
says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God,
why have You forsaken me?’
(Matt. 27:46)
‘I
ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’
(John 20:17)

‘the
temple of my God the name of my God the city of my God comes down out
of heaven from my God.’ (Rev.
3:12)

Jesus
did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God is the same as
ours.

Bible
says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no
man has seen God at any time.’ (John
1:18)

Bible
says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it:
According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus
on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had
Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be
God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.

Because
in these two instances, when charged, in the one case, with making
himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he
denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal
with God, he says immediately:

‘The
son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and
directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John
5:19, 30)

In
answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in
substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your
magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not
call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God
(John 10:34-36).

This
is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response. Hastings in
‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of
himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading
‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son
language (Mark
18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim)
goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor,
Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found
ancient documents concludes that:

‘The
(Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son of God are later
additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of
deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire
lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades
after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism.
The first three decades of the existence of the church were
within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the
followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of Jesus.’

Assuming
Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God. What did it mean?
We first need to know the language of his people, the language
of the Jews to whom he was speaking.

The
Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there
are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to
other persons in the Old or New Testament.

For
Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a true son of God,
other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be
considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too
according to such method.

Adam:
‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke
3:38)
Jacob
is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my
firstborn.’ (Exodus
4:22)

Solomon:
‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’
(2 Samuel 7:13-14)

Ephraim:
‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.’
(Jeremiah
31:9)

is
God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of God: ‘Ye
are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)

Mxpctlk
Mxpctlk
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

I talk about the teachings of Jesus, the Son of God – and you attempt to divert to a discussion of conflicting views in scripture. We’re I to respond in kind, I’d be pointing out the overwhelming calls to jihad relative to peaceful verses in the koran, patiently explain the concept of abrogation – which you already know – and we’ play tit for tat.

But your “religion” is a charade that serves to mask an oppressive, political ideology of conquest and submission. It is fueled by lust, hate and desire for power. It – and your – tools are lies, deceit, distortion, subversive acts, kitman, taqiya and the like. These are the tools of satan and it is satan who inspired and drives islam.

You talk of Jesus – Son of God, who brought salvation to the world. Let’s talk of Mohammed – liar, pervert, thief, murderer, deceiver and pedophile. Which is of God and which is of satan? You need to think about that and who you serve.

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Mxpctlk

Hi Mxpctlk,

Allah is written as God in Arabic Bible. There are about 15 millions Arab Christian in middle east using this Bible.

[Genesis 1:1 – English Bible – King James Version]

“In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . . ”

[Genesis 1:1 – Arabic transliteration]

“Fee al-badi’ khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . ”

The original bible are in greek language ;

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and
this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”

Thirty verses proofs – No crucifixion

Jesus Christ was neither killed nor was he crucified, as alleged by the
Christians and the Jews, but that he was alive! because:

1. Jesus was reluctant to die! He had worked out a strategy of defence
to repel the Jews. Because he wanted to remain alive!

2. He beseeched God for help. With strong crying and tears for God
Almighty to keep him alive!

3. God ‘heard’ his prayers which means that God accepted his prayers
to keep him alive!

4. An angel of god came to strengthen him: In the hope and belief that
God will save him alive!

5. Pilate finds Jesus not guilty! Good reason to keep Jesus alive!

6. Pilates wife shown a dream in which she was told that – ‘No harm
should come to this just man.’ In other words that he should be
saved alive!

7. Supposed to be on the cross for only three hours. According to the
system in vogue, no man could die by crucifixion in so short a time
which means that even if he was fastened to the cross – he was alive!

8. The other two – his ‘crossmates’ on their respective crosses were
alive. So Jesus too, for the same period of time must be alive!

9. Encyclopedia biblica under article ‘cross’ – column 960 says:
‘When the spear was thrust – Jesus was alive!

10. ‘Forthwith’ came there out blood and water: ‘Forthwith’ means
straightaway, immediately which was a sure sign that Jesus was alive!

11. Legs not broken – as a fulfilment of prophecy. ‘Legs’ can be of
any use only if Jesus was alive!

12.Thunderstorm, earthquake, and darkening of the sun all within 3 hours! To disperse
the sadistic mob to enable his ‘secret disciples’ to help, keep
him alive!

13. Jews doubted his death: They suspected that he had escaped death on
the cross – that he was alive!

14. Pilate ‘marvels’ to hear that Jesus was dead. He knew from
experience that no man can die so soon by crucifixion. He suspected
that Jesus was alive!

15. Big roomy chamber: Close at hand, and big and airy for willing hands
to come to the rescue. Providence was out to keep Jesus alive!

16. Stone and ‘winding sheets’ had to be removed: Only necessary if
Jesus was alive!

17. Report on winding sheets. German Scientists who carried out
experiments on the ‘Shroud of Turin’ said that the heart of Jesus
had not stopped functioning – that he was alive!

18. Ever in disguise! Disguise not necessary if Jesus was ‘resurrected’.
Only necessary if he was alive!

19.Forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him ‘Touch me not’ for this
reason that it would hurt; because he was alive!

20. ‘Not yet ascended unto my father’ In the language of the Jews, in
the idiom of the Jews, he was saying, ‘I am not dead yet’, in
other words, ‘I am alive!’

21. Mary Magdalene not afraid on recognising Jesus. Because she had seen
signs of life before. She was looking for a Jesus who was alive!

22. Disciples petrified on seeing Jesus in the upper-room. All their
knowledge about the ‘crucifixion’ was from hearsay, therefore,
they could not believe that Jesus was alive!

23.Ate food again and again in his post ‘crucifixion’ appearances.
Food only necessary if he was alive!

24. Never showed himself to his enemies. Because he had escaped death by
the ‘skin of his teeth’. He was alive!

25. Took only short trips. Because he was not resurrected, not
spiritualised, but alive!

26. Testimony of men around the tomb “Why seek ye the living among the
dead?” (Luke 24:4-5) That he is not dead, but alive!

27. Testimony of angels “angels who had said that he was alive!”
(Luke 24:23) Did not say, ‘resurrected’ but the actual word uttered by the angels
was ‘Alive!’

28. Mary Magdalene testifies “they heard that he was alive, and had
been seen by her, they believed not” (Mark 16-11).

Mary did not vouch for a spook, or ghost or spirit of Jesus but a Live
Jesus. What they could not believe was that the Master was alive!

29. Dr. primrose testifies: That the ‘water and the blood’, when
Jesus was lanced on the side, was on account of an upset in the
nervous vessels because of the scourging by staves. Which was a sure
sign that Jesus was alive!

30. Jesus had himself foretold that his miracle will be the miracle of
Jonah! According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was alive, when we
expected him to be dead; similarly when we expect Jesus to be dead,
he should be alive!

jack
jack
8 years ago
Reply to  Mxpctlk

Mxpctlk,
very serious problems and real facts about Christian :

THE QUESTIONS NOBODY WANTS TO ANSWER –

What about the Bible? Who actually wrote it?

What was the original language of the Bible? (Hebrew? Aramaic? Koine Greek?)
NOTE: – The Bible was never in English during the time of any prophet (not even Muhammad) – because English did not exist until after 1066 AD!

Does the Bible exist in the original form anywhere on earth? (No)

Why does the Catholic Bible has seven (7) more books than the Protestant Bible?

Why do these two Bibles have different versions of the same books?

Why are there so many mistakes and errors are from the very first verse right up to the very last verse?

Why do ‘Born Again Christians’ teach concepts that are not from the Bible?

There is no word “Trinity” in the Bible in any version of any language

The oldest forms of Christianity do not support the ‘born again’ beliefs

Jesus of the English Bible complains about the ‘crucifixion’
(“Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani? – My God! My God! Why have You forsaken me?”) [Mk 15:34]

How can Jesus be the “Only Begotten Son” of John 3:16? When in Psalms 2:7 David is God’s “Begotten Son?”

Would a ‘Just’ God, a ‘Fair’ God, a ‘Loving’ God — punish Jesus for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?

What happens to people who died before Jesus came?

What happens to those who never hear this message?

What about innocent children who die although their parents are not Christian?

Didn’t God create Adam from dirt? — So, why does he need Mary to make Jesus?

And what about God?

How can God create Himself?

How can God be a man?

How can a man be a God?

How can God have a son?

The Bible says “Seth (is) the son of Adam” and that”Adam is the son of God.” [Lk 3:36]

Can’t God just forgive us and not have to kill Jesus?

And what about Jesus?

Jesus did not even carry the cross — Simon Cyre’ne, a passerby did! [Mk 15:21]

Jesus of the Bible was NOT on the cross for longer than six (6) hours — NOT three days —
(from the 3rd to the 9th hour) [Mk 15:25 & 15:33]

Jesus of the Bible did not spend three days and nights in the tomb — Friday night – until
Sunday before dawn — is not 3 days and nights!

Jesus DID NOT claim to be God – or even equal to God!
May God Bless You and Give You Guidance.

Mxpctlk
Mxpctlk
8 years ago
Reply to  jack

You’re an islamist troll and you post the most blindly dogmatic attacks on Christianity I’ve read in a long while. Your points echo those of radical imams always seeking to defend and promote islam to absurdity while not even considering the arguments of others – much as you have in your posts. The imam who recently said men’s hands will become pregnant in the afterlife is a perfect example of the circular arguments and convoluted outlook you present.

Your selective questioning of biblical verses is a childish rhetorical tactic and you can apply the same to your ideology, islam:

* Mohammed sat in a cave and had visions to the point he doubted his sanity and thought he was possessed, as did contemporaries. This is established and documented in historical accounts of Mohammed – so your ideology is founded by an insane and/or possessed person?

* Mohammed was alone when he had these visions – no one can say beyond doubt that any of them actually occurred or are true. He was a known thief and liar – isn’t there just as much credibility in the idea that he conned the local tribes to do his bidding as raiders and thieves for his own gain?

* He was illiterate – so who wrote the koran?

If islam is so peaceful – why are its most pure adherents committing genocide on a grand scale?

If islam is so loving – why does it dictate death for those who question or wish to leave it instead of offering prayer and support for their return

* The Koran was compiled from recollections of contemporaries and passed-down verbal tradition — how do we know any of it is true?
Mohammed was a murder, a rapist, a thief and a liar — those things are established. If he was allah’s prophet and the “perfect man” then allah condones and abets those actions AND IS EQUALLY GUILTY.

See – your questions and proofs are more readily applied to your own ideology and where you’re quick to blindly accept the fantasy explanations supporting your own indoctrination, you condemn the faith of others. That’s a fool’s premise and you should open yourself to the true God, not the notion of a moon-god Mohammed used to gender support from Bedouins.

Islam is not a religion and Mohammed is guilty of leading billions of souls to hell. No need to try and answer any of these issues, as they’re just to show how your contrived and convoluted rhetoric can be applied to your own ideology. Though I know you are an islamist troll and I suspect an ISIS social media operative, I pray you and all muz open your eyes and hearts, and I am encouraged to learn many have and more are each day.

Connie Alsip
Connie Alsip
8 years ago

To hell with the islamists. This is America. Assimilate or leave. That is as simple as it gets. I’ll even buy you a pork rib dinner.

lamb4usa
lamb4usa
8 years ago

I don’t believe, as Ms Khan puts it that “There is a lot of ignorance about who Muslims are”. I think we know that they are evil personified. I am still waiting for all of the “moderate Muslims”, or so the Democrats and state controlled media keep telling us there are, to speak up and condemn these filthy animals for the scum they are. God bless you Pamela Gellar.

Grace
Grace
8 years ago

Since every non-muslim is considered an infidel that would make only islamist “high people” resulting in silencing all non-muslims.

clearsighted
clearsighted
8 years ago

Pamela,
I stopped watching the Factor right after he attacked YOU for standing up for freedom from Sharia law so I missed the show where the narcissistic bloviator ducked the results of his own poll. Will you please post the video of O’Reilly’s refusal to display the results of his poll?

Grace
Grace
8 years ago

Jesus Christ will forgive him if he turns to the LORD Jesus Christ and repents of his sins and receives Jesus Christ, Son of God as his LORD and Savior.

Lilithwept
Lilithwept
8 years ago

Listen to Bill Warners at Political,Islam site new idea for now to combat Islam. Called voice4voiceless.org it involves giving the Left a bigger victim than Muslims,and using Leftist words, namley the Suffering of the Persecuted religious minorities. Go checkmit out,mits doing things anyone can do. And tou will be fighting the creeping Islamification of America by waking people up, not to Islam, but by showing people the results of what Islam is and does….Bill warner is a genius for thinking of this, in my opinion.

Prinz Eugen
Prinz Eugen
8 years ago

Can this scumbag imam (unholy thug) name ONE HOLY MOSLEM worthy of respect? Certainly not the ayatollah, and definitely not the islamo-marxist chimp and protector of islam, sultan Barry Sotero!

Strelnikov
Strelnikov
8 years ago

“a Houston area Muslim imam, who condemned the Garland attack, but supports restrictions on free speech”

Should be “and” rather than “but”.

james
james
8 years ago
Reply to  Strelnikov

Hi Strelnikov,

All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

Luke 2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
Most muslims are circumcise.

Leviticus 10:9, 8The LORD then spoke to Aaron, saying, 9″Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die– it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations– 10and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,…
Most muslims are not drunk.

Eating pork was indeed prohibited under the law. Leviticus 11:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Most muslims are not eat pork.

A lot of Priest, Preachers and Catholic Bishop enter Islam,

“Yusuf Estes” Ex-Christian Preacher & Former Catholic Priest Enter Islam – Complete story of Sheik Yusuf Estes,
his wife and minister father and a Catholic priest –
all entering Islam
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Idris Tawfiq, Catholic Priest, UK : A former British Catholic Priest accepts Islam after reading the Quran and his interactions with Muslims.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/586/

Barry Drey
Barry Drey
8 years ago

RTF is a Imam????A fancy word for Goat molester….

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